What meter do you have? Ken H.
On 8 April 2013 09:29, Stevan Plavsa <[email protected]> wrote: > When I was shopping around for boats I bought a moisture meter. It was > $200 well spent. A couple of boats that I might have paid to get surveyed > (big $$$) were ruled out by the moisture meter, I was surprised just how > much water were in these decks! They DIDN'T LOOK IT. When I found my boat > it had a dry deck all over, something I had not yet found. I bought the > boat contingent on survey with a 2k holdover if anything was amiss with the > motor. I purchased in November so boat was on the hard and no way to sea > trial or run the motor through it's paces. Survey turned out good with some > typical old boat stuff (old hoses, gate valves) but otherwise the boat was > a-ok. The moisture meter was a very good investment and now I can use it to > make sure my deck is staying dry and I'll know exactly what hardware to > rebed and when. > Good luck with the purchase. > > Steve > C&C 32 > Toronto > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Mark Bodnar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks for all the info everyone. >> The boat is at the North eastern end of Long Island - Greenport. So yes, >> I'd like the contact info for Andrew Kinsey. >> >> Rick - great info. Thanks for the detail. Interesting to hear the brokers >> comments on boat values. Locally similar boats are selling for a lot more >> (at least the Yachtworld and local classified listings). This boat has a >> new diesel as of 2000, so a give that value above a couple Atomic 4's I've >> seen listed for more $. But I will re-think my offer plan. I was thinking >> of offering $12K, but I guess I let the brokers comments shift my thinking. >> My understanding is that the owner wants to move up to a bigger boat. >> Missed out on the one he wanted last year because this boat didn't sell, so >> he's had this listed now since the fall. 5 months on the market already - >> if it was as good a deal as the broker thinks it would be gone already! >> That said, this boat is well priced against all the other C&C 30's I've >> found online. It is at the low end of price for listed boats, but with a >> 13yr old diesel, and good condition. >> Rick, if you want to sail that local 30 up the coast for a couple weeks >> to Nova Scotia then I might be interested in it! >> >> Chuck, unfortunately in my situation a survey is far cheaper than a >> personal sea trial. I live >500 from the boat, so my only real option is to >> get a good survey. >> In this case the broker appears to be the marina operator >> -Brewer Yacht Sales at Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina >> I'll make sure that I'm not eating dockage fees while I sort out how to >> get the boat home if the deal goes through. >> >> More to think about! >> >> Thanks again to everyone for all the advice. I'll let you all know what >> happens. >> >> Mark >> >> ---------------------- >> Dr. Mark Bodnar >> B.Sc. D.C. FCCPOR(c) >> www.bedfordchiro.ca >> ---------------------- >> >> “In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your >> fear of failure.” >> Bill Cosby >> >> On 2013-04-07, at 8:35 PM, Rick Brass <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Mark, >> > >> > In response to your original question, here is a copy of the wording >> that >> > appeared in my offer for Imzadi regarding the survey. This was part of a >> > preprinted offer form used by the broker in Norfolk, but I don't know >> if it >> > is the standard AYBA form that Colin referred to. >> > >> > In a paragraph labeled "Additional Provisions" this was added: >> > 1) Offer is subject to a survey as detailed in paragraph 3. >> > 2) Vessel as delivered to include all equipment as listed in the >> attached >> > description. >> > >> > Paragraph 3 says: >> > 3. This offer is made for the vessel "as is. where is" unless otherwise >> > provided by additional provision hereto. >> > subject to survey, if desired by Purchaser, by Purchaser's surveyor and >> at >> > Purchaser's expense (including hauling), >> > provided such survey is made on or before ________________ (If no >> survey is >> > desired by Purchaser, write "no >> > survey desired" in lieu of a date.) Purchaser may rescind this purchase >> > prior to settlement if such survey discloses >> > items missing, or requiring repairs or replacement, if such items are >> > essential to normal operation of the vessel, the >> > reasonable safety of persons on board having due regard for what is >> normal >> > for similar vessels, or for obtaining >> > normal financing and/or insurance or failure to supply, repair or >> replace >> > such items will materially reduce the value >> > of the vessel below the purchase price herein. In the event Purchaser >> > chooses to rescind for any of the grounds >> > above provided, he shall give written or telegraphic notice to the >> Broker at >> > Broker's place of business no later than >> > _____________ , and if such notice not received by the Broker on or >> before >> > such date, Purchaser will be deemed >> > to have accepted the vessel. Failure by the Owner to complete the >> aforesaid, >> > by the settlement date above, shall >> > free the Purchaser of all obligation hereunder and shall entitle him to >> have >> > returned all monies paid by him as deposit >> > as provided by and subject to paragraph (8) >> > >> > Hope all that helps. >> > >> > Based on experience - get the survey done, starting with a sea trial and >> > inspection of the mechanical systems before the boat is hauled. You >> will be >> > liable for the expense of the survey and the haul, though you might be >> able >> > to negotiate a discount on the cost of the haul depending on how badly >> they >> > want to sell the boat. >> > >> > Any idea how long the boat has been for sale, or how anxious the owner >> is to >> > sell? That could be a big factor in your offer price. >> > >> > Two friends who are both boat brokers have told me that, at least in the >> > Carolinas and seemingly lower Virginia, older boats are frequently >> selling >> > for about 1/2 to 2/3 the prices being asked on Yachtworld. They regard >> the >> > Yachtworld pricing to be unrealistic in the current market, and think a >> lot >> > of the boats there are ones that are overpriced and consequently have >> been >> > sitting for a while. >> > >> > There is a really nice - bordering on immaculate - C&C 30 at the club >> where >> > I keep my 25. The owner bought is early last summer for under $9k. >> There is >> > also a late 70s C&C 30 in my area that is a solid boat that has had some >> > recent upgrades but needs cosmetic attention and updated electronics. >> The >> > seller is asking $9k, but has told me he actually hopes to get 8. >> > >> > IIRC, you said the boat you're looking at was on Yachtworld at $15,900, >> and >> > you were thinking of offering $14. Have you considered offering >> something >> > like 10 or 12? >> > >> > Boat brokers are probably a lot like real estate brokers, in that the >> asking >> > price is higher than the desired closing price in order to allow >> negotiating >> > room. The broker who recently sold my second home added 11% to the >> target >> > closing price to establish the listing price. (And the real estate >> market is >> > such that the final closing price was still 3% below the target.) >> > >> > If the boat broker added 10%, and the listing is for $15.9, then the >> desired >> > selling price could be somewhere in the range of $14.5. >> > >> > If the owner has had the boat listed for a while, he may also be >> feeling the >> > pressure of monthly dockage and insurance - which could easily be $2 or >> 3K >> > if he fails to sell the boat in the next few months of the spring >> selling >> > season. >> > >> > Consider that if you offer something lower - say $12 - one of two >> things can >> > happen. They might counter and you can always negotiate up. Or they >> take it, >> > you cover the cost of the survey and haul ( and maybe a part of your get >> > ready expenses) as part of your perceived value of $14. >> > >> > As always, YMMV. >> > >> > >> > Rick Brass >> > Washington, NC >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark >> > Bodnar >> > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> > >> > >> > That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something >> big >> > comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. >> > >> > Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a >> survey >> > for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? >> > Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled >> out to >> > see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will >> charge >> > me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> > [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > >
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