Wondering if anyone out there has seen (or has) a C&C with tiller steering? I've remove the Edson wheel steering to gain a bit of simplicity below decks and more room above. I've designed and machined a new rudder post head but would like some idea of what the geometry of the original tiller and gooseneck fitting looked like. The original brochure shows a tiller with wheel steering optional so I'm guessing there must be one out there somewhere with a tiller. I don't believe that I must see a 26. I'll bet that any reasonably sized C&C (smaller or larger than my 26) would employ the same basic design philosophy in that area. Anyone want to convert from tiller to wheel? Make you a heck of a deal!! Thanks. Jack Downey [email protected]
-----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 90, Issue 59 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. C&C 30 MK1 backing help (Robert Gallagher) 2. Re: C&C 30 MK1 backing help (Dennis C.) 3. Re: C&C 30 MK1 backing help (Ed Levert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:39:12 -0400 From: Robert Gallagher <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 backing help Message-ID: <CAGue27q=usv-ya+up8evfr9pvsas6wec1e3nwrfwv91darz...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" First off, I have to correct... Not all 30 MKI boats have an offset prop. In fact, I believe that most did not have an offset prop. None of the ones I have seen in the US have an offset prop. I have seen photos of them that do so yes there are hulls with the offset prop. What motor do you have? If it's and A-4, I would seriously consider replacing it with an inexpensive little three blade from Indigo. It will work wonders at reducing prop walk, give you a punch in reverse/stopping. It increase engine RPM and give you a little more power motoring through seas, chop and/or a headwind. It's not perfect but I found a marked improvement. YMMV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130718/5e 92e75e/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dennis C." <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 backing help Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Curtis, Like others have suggested, go out in open water and practice.? Maybe use a couple of milk jugs with bricks for anchors to simulate the entrance to your slip. You first need to understand the differences in and effects of "prop walk", "prop wash" and rudder action. Prop walk is a sideways motion created by the rotation of the prop.? You will only notice it at very low speed.? As soon as there is any speed, prop walk is overcome by rudder action. Prop wash is the action of the rudder as the water expelled by the prop passes across the rudder.? It only occurs when th engine is in forward. Rudder action is the effect the rudder has on boat direction.? Rudder action only occurs when water is passing across the rudder either from the motion of the boat, forward or reverse, or prop wash (forward only). If your boat has a "standard" right hand rotation, prop walk will cause the stern to pull to port at very low speed.? If you practice, you will find prop walk to be a handy way to maneuver a boat. As you approach your slip, it is important to note the wind and current.? A cross wind will affect the bow more than the stern.? Current will affect the entire boat.? If as you indicate, your entry into your slip is downwind, you will need to secure a spring line first and quickly or use the engine to stop the boat and grab the bow line to keep the bow from falling off towards your finger pier or your neighbor. You'll need to maintain speed as you back in so the rudder will work.? You didn't tell us your initial approach was from starboard or from port.? Port is easier. For instance, when I back into my slip, I use a port side approach.? That is, the slip is on the port side as I approach.? I approach with 2-3 knots of speed about 1/2 boat length away from the pilings.? When the mast is even with the near side (start) of my slip, I turn the wheel to starboard and put the engine in reverse.? The stern swings to port, the prop WALK will also draws the stern to port as the boat loses forward speed.? The prop WALK pulls the stern into the slip.? As the boat gathers speed in reverse, I then use rudder action to guide the boat into the slip.? BTW, I have a Martec 2 blade folding prop.? A prop not know for its reversing ability but it works fine for me. Now, if you have a starboard side approach and standard rotation, things will be more complicated.? The prop WALK will pull your stern away from your slip.? You will have to go past your slip a ways at least a boat length away from the pilings then stop, put it in reverse and gather speed so the rudder action overcomes the prop WALK in order to guide the boat into your slip. A final note on prop walk and prop wash.? One can use prop walk and prop wash to turn in tight spots.? Assuming a right hand rotation and prop walk pulling to port, turn the wheel hard to starboard.? Alternating between forward and reverse, prop wash and prop walk can spin the boat on its keel with little forward or aft motion.? Handy technique to know if you end up in a tight fairway in a marina and need to do a U-turn. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA >________________________________ > From: Curtis <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:25 AM >Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 backing help > > >As a new sailboat owner and? no experance backing. >can I get some insite as to how to back one of these boat into a slip. > >I am on a inside finger dock in the AICW Is South carolina. >We have 8 foot tides and a 2 knot current at times. My bow faces the >north and we have a predomanently southerl wind 4-12 knots. >Any help would be great. > >-- >?The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to >change; the realist adjusts the sails.? > >_______________________________________________ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected] > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130718/ee 561107/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:47:13 +0000 From: Ed Levert <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 backing help Message-ID: <cadd8ee4485d4c8aaed6fb9aa9813...@metexchangesvr1.internal.graycompanyinc.co m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've found my C&C 30 Mk 1 steers reasonably well in reverse once you have headway (or is it sternway) on. The trick is not to start backing when you are too close to the slip and are trying to make a sharp turn at the same time. Practice in an open area until you are comfortable with going from slow forward or stopped to actually moving backwards. Also having your stern pointed into the wind as you begin to reverse also helps keeping the boat under control until headway/sternway is built and steering established. Give yourself some distance to back up while you are establishing positive steering control. Ed C&C 30 Dream Girl C&C 34 Briar Patch New Orleans From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 backing help Curtis, A couple of random thoughts - your boat will naturally swing either to port or starboard when backing depending on which way the prop rotates. You need to figure that out as the first order of business. Find some flat open water, center the wheel and back down hard for several boat lengths. You'll see what I mean. Once you know that you can decide whether to go in bow first or stern first. Its hard to fight the "prop walk". My boat backs to port, so I go in bow first rather than try to swing the stern to starboard if I am unsure. The slower you go, the less damage you will do if you F up. If the dock is not well padded, have bumpers hanging as you approach. Have boathooks at the bow and stern. Identify the critical line(s) you need to get as you enter the slip. Its usually the upwind outboard line. Instruct your crew to grab that first. With an 8 foot tide you need long spring lines and should cross your stern lines. Practice! Good luck! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Curtis <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: As a new sailboat owner and no experance backing. can I get some insite as to how to back one of these boat into a slip. I am on a inside finger dock in the AICW Is South carolina. We have 8 foot tides and a 2 knot current at times. My bow faces the north and we have a predomanently southerl wind 4-12 knots. Any help would be great. -- "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails." _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> -- Joel 301 541 8551 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130718/38 c487ad/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list [email protected] http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 90, Issue 59 **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]
