Rick, That is really interesting because I've had my '73 25 heeled over to 40 degrees and have never had water in the cockpit. What could account for the difference? Drains are port-to-port, stbd-to-stbd. At some time in the life of my boat prior to me the gate valves were replaced. The cockpit floor also had an extensive repair and it's possible but unlikely the drains were moved. I think my thru-hulls are closer to 12" off centerline but I haven't looked lately.
You race your 25, right? How many do you typically have on board... 5 or 6? I've never had more than 4 and some were kids. With a smaller boat, that may be the difference. When I sailed at the Boston Harbor Sailing Club, they had converted Solings with a different deck. The cockpits were self-bailing only when they were unmanned sitting on the mooring. To go sailing one person would climb aboard and close the valves before the others got on board otherwise you'd have an inch of water in the cockpit. Of course you had to remember to open the valves when you got off. Mark ----- Original Message -----From: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:13:18 -0000 (UTC)Subject: Re: Stus-List COCKPIT DRAINS - Criss - Cross or not? As a matter of policy, it’s probably best that the scupper drains always be crossed. That way there is little chance of water getting into the cockpit when heeled over. As a matter of practicality, I think it depends on the boat. My 25 mk1 was plumbed port to port. The cockpit sole is about 6” above the waterline and the scuppers are about 18” off the centerline; and the boat has a beam less than 9 feet. At heel angles of 15 degrees or so you had wet feet. When I redid the seacocks (replacing the old gate valves) and replaced hoses, I crossed the lines. My Newport 28 (A C&C design) had scuppers aft that drained through the transom just above the waterline. When motoring, the transom squatted down and your feet got wet. No point is crossing the hoses, so I learned to steer from forward in the cockpit. On my 38, there are 4 scuppers plumbed to 2 seacocks, with the port scuppers going to the port seacock. But the cockpit sole is 12 to 16 inches above the waterline, the scuppers are about 18” off center, and the beam is over 12 feet. So the boat would need to heel to almost 45 degree for the scuppers to be below the waterline, and that takes a LOT of wind (plus it’s SLOW). There is almost no room back there to cross the hoses. And I need to be able to take the starboard hose out in order to access the steering and some of the other stuff in the “basement”. So I have no plans to reroute the hoses. Alex, you probably need to look at the geography of your boat and do what seems to work best for you. Rick Brass Washington, NC
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