Hi Ron,
I agree, the hardware will be quite expensive, but there is, at least,
double the amount of sail material also. Separate email in process.
Gary
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Ron Casciato <[email protected]>wrote:
> Gary: I think the problem with his project is that he mentioned going
> for speed………..and I’m not sure he’s moved far enough in the project to do
> much other than a straight line…………
>
>
>
> I may Google him to see if he’s still at it. I thought that video ws a
> couple of years old………….
>
>
>
> It won’t be the sails that cost, from the article I have, it will be the
> inside mast (s) and cantilevered fore-boom…………… but they did convert an
> Elan 37 for the article and it looks great.
>
>
>
> Slip me an address off line and I’ll use the article for packing
> something,
>
>
>
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
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>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Russell
> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 7:15 AM
> *To:* C&C List
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel + New Wing sail for monohulls
> alaAC72.
>
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I did consider that hull shape (or rudder) might provide the lift
> required to counteract leeway, but was surprised the speaker didn't talk
> about it. Good promoters don't leave questions unanswered.
>
>
>
> The Formula wing sail is very cool! Can't wait to see what my
> sailmaker will charge for that one!
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Ron Casciato <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Gary:
>
>
>
> If I saw the video correctly, from the force images, etc., the surface
> areas of the hull at speed are only about a quarter of the whole hull and
> on the rear quarter where he has a big rudder on each side. If the surface
> area of the hull approximates a much smaller hull shape, like a dinghy,
> then the rudder should be enough to hold leeway to a controllable
> amount………..
>
>
>
> It’s the lift that our keels provide and I’m not sure he doesn’t have some
> step or other shape in the hull under the water that might do the same
> thing………….
>
>
>
> I’m ready to fill out a APHRF handicap sheet and send it in just to shake
> it up a bit………….
>
>
>
> So now check out the web site for Formula-marine.com and scroll down to
> their Omer One Sail………… There is an article in the British journal of
> Yachting Monthly , October 2013 issue that tests this “Wing Sail “ out on
> an Elan 37……….. They have a short video with some dramatic views of this
> rig set up. Lots of good stuff going on out there…………..
>
> http://www.formulamarine.com/projects-2/projects-carbon/omer-wing-sail The
> rest of their web sdite is also very interesting………….
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Ron C.
>
>
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>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Russell
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:33 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel
>
>
>
> Jake,
>
> Agreed.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jake Brodersen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
>
>
> With this type of design, a centerboard or other type of structure would
> be needed to avoid excessive leeway,
>
>
>
> On you second point, I agree. Stability will be vanishing as the bulb
> gets higher above the water. It could certainly make for some interesting
> sailing. Self righting might be an issue.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Russell
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:28 PM
> *To:* C&C List
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel
>
>
>
> My first problem with this canting design is that a typical keel performs
> two functions; a counter-balance for the forces against the sail, and a
> lifting foil to generate lift to windward to counteract leeway. I only see
> the counter-balance in this design.
>
>
>
> My second problem with this design is the fact that as heel increases, the
> effect of the keel weight gets less, unless you continuously adjust the
> cant angle to keep it just above the water.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something? I'm not saying these are insurmountable problems,
> but I don't see them addressed in Speed Dream.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hey Dwight,
> That's an amazing canting keel design. Guess we have to wait and see if
> such ideas will sell in the future?
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
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