I understand the need to get the temperature up in order to get the old oil 
out, but why do I need to run it up to temp with the new oil?  I have just been 
turning the engine over for a minute or less to get the oil circulated. (Engine 
block is still warm- but certainly not up to temp


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Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

On Nov 26, 2013, at 14:47, dwight veinot <[email protected]> wrote:

> Chuck
> 
> Yes warm the oil you want to change out before draining the sump but it is 
> equally important to run the engine up to temp for a while on the new oil
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> Alianna 
> C&C 35 MKII
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yeah Dwight,
>> I guess you are right.  I didn't have to but I like to warm up the engine 
>> oil before draining that, so I've always run the engine to temperature 
>> before winterizing.  
>> I draw in the pink stuff, then hand pump the oil from the crancase.  I have 
>> a routine; ice box, foot pump that into the sink, do the second sink, then 
>> the head, then last is the bilge and the two elec bilge pumps and the manual 
>> bilge pump.  This year I captured most of the antifreeze from the pumps and 
>> will use again next year.     
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Atlantic City, NJ
>> From: "dwight veinot" <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:07:49 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> If I remember you have a Universal M4-30.  Is yours your water cooled and 
>> that is why you got the engine up to 190, to make sure the thermostat 
>> opened.  No need to do that if your engine has a heat exchanger like mine 
>> does
>> 
>> Dwight Veinot
>> Alianna 
>> C&C 35 MKII
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I tried the Toronto Bucket Method today.  Nice to have that option.  It 
>>> works.  It is environmentally friendly since it captures antifreeze 
>>> escaping the exhaust.   
>>> 
>>> My marina hauled my boat today, but the water was turned off everywhere 
>>> because of the risk of freezeup for the last few weeks.   It works.  It is 
>>> environmentally friendly since it captures antifreeze escaping the exhaust. 
>>>   But it was hard to get the engine to draw from the bucket until I primed 
>>> the 15' hose w antifreeze using a funnel.   Had to run for about twenty 
>>> minutes to get the temp up to 190, to be sure the thermostat was open.  I 
>>> started w 4 1/2 gallons of pink RV antifreeze.  The engine sucked up about 
>>> 1 1/2 gallons.  Used the rest to winterize the ice box drain, foot pump, 
>>> sink traps, and bilge pumps.
>>> 
>>> Love the list for new ideas!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> Resolute
>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>> Atlantic City, NJ
>>> From: "dwight veinot" <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:26:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Another 35 MKII owner on the list...only 147 of that design ever built, 
>>> they are senior citizens by some standards but many are still active and 
>>> bringing lots of sailing pleasure to their owners, 
>>> 
>>> There's no reason to change a good practice, 21 years is way long enough to 
>>> prove it's a good one
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> Alianna 
>>> C&C 35 MKII
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Ken Rodmell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On my 35 Mk II, I’ve been using the same system for 21 years. It can get 
>>>> very cold up here in Toronto and I’ve had no problems.
>>>> 
>>>> I hang a bucket containing about a gallon of the antifreeze mix from the 
>>>> stern rail directly below the exhaust pipe,. A hose is led from the bucket 
>>>> through the cockpit to the water intake on the Perkins 4-108 engine. It is 
>>>> connected by a plastic elbow. 
>>>> 
>>>> I run the engine until it reaches operating temperature which takes a few 
>>>> minutes. I use a tester 2 or three times to check the water/anti freeze 
>>>> mix as there is always some water left in the system and I might have to 
>>>> add more anti freeze to bring it up to specs.
>>>> 
>>>> If my winter cover is already on, I open it up while the engine is running 
>>>> and make sure I have lots of ventilation as some exhaust gasses may reach 
>>>> the cockpit.
>>>> 
>>>> I shut off the engine, Take the hose off, then remove the impeller and 
>>>> store it in vegetable oil. 
>>>> 
>>>> In the spring, I put about a tablespoonful of fresh diesel oil into the 
>>>> air intake and turn the engine over 3 or 4 times without starting it. Can 
>>>> anyone on the list who has more engineering knowledge tell me why this 
>>>> might not be a good idea? 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken Rodmell
>>>> Ward’s Island, Toronto
>>>> Toronto 
>>>> 
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