Count me in as another Garhauer fan. I have the same setup as Rick - good stuff. And a whole boatload of other Garhauer stuff.
Gary 30-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Brass To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjustable genoa car system for C&C 38 Yes. I have the G2-UB cars on my 38 (and the G1-UB cars on my 25. Originally put them on the 25 back in about 1996 and still love them.) I also have the swivel jam cleats on the aft end of the tracks on both boats. I think it keeps the side deck uncluttered, and you need a jam cleat or a horn cleat to hold the end of the adjustment line in any event. Using the Garhauer swivel jam cleats (which mount on the aft end of the track) saved me from having to drill more holes in the boat. I think the line adjustable cars are the way to go. $302 for a pair of cars, $100 for a pair of jam cleats, plus the 5/16 or 3/8 tow line you will need (maybe 70 feet for each side) will cost about 5 boat bucks. There is a 35 mk2 down here that has Garhauer pin stop track cars with the G3 sheaves on them. Don’t see the G3s in the Garhauer catalog, but an equivalent to the G2 with pretty nifty snatch blocks on the car are only $100 each. Of course, you would be giving up the adjustability that is so nice to save about $300. I wonder what Guido would charge me to make some of those snatch blocks for retrofit to my G2 UB setup? By the way, the equivalent Harken G323B lead cars (with only 3:1 instead of 5:1 pull on the line and 2250 instead of 2800 pound working load) have an MSRP of ONLY $860 PER SIDE. So $500 for the whole boat looks like a pretty good value. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjustable genoa car system for C&C 38 Rick, thanks for the details, and thanks everyone. I am definitely going to talk to Guido. Rick are you referring to E-Z Glide on Garhauer website. Car 2 being $302.50 E-Z G-UB, and Car 3 being $363.00 E-Z G-3? Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C&C 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjustable genoa car system for C&C 38 You don’t install the tracks. Use the existing tracks and use the new cars on the old tracks. (my tracks are 1977 - I assume - and they still don't leak!) sam :-) From: dwight Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com So do most people get away with installing these tracks and never have leaks. With all the associated holes through the deck it would be very fortunate to never experience leaking and with the liners in C&C boats that leaking can be well hidden. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: January 20, 2014 3:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Adjustable genoa car system for C&C 38 I have the setup that is photo #2 on my 38. Guido at Garhauer will machine the cars so they fit on the Merriman H track you have already. No need to convert to more modern T track, with all the hassles of changing. Among other things, T track has greater spacing between the mounting screws than H track had, so if you remove the H track, you need to over drill and fill all of the holes with epoxy to seal the deck, and then over drill, fill, and drill holes for the new track plus make new aluminum backing plates or modify the existing plate to fit. New track is a real PITA, and the Garhauer ball bearing cars work really well on the H track. Plus Guido did the modified cars for my installation at no extra cost. I would imagine he will do the same for you. I chose car #2 vs. car #3 because it offers a greater range of flexibility when the car is forward and you are broad reaching. Car style #3 is a bigger sheave and it makes it possible to put two sheets through the sheave, thus making sail changes easier. I have roller furling, so change the sheets almost never (at least the ones on the headsail). At $300 per side, these are a real value and a pleasure to use in comparison to the old pin stop cars. If you want to take a poll on the list about the quality, service, and value of the Garhauer hardware in comparison to Harken or other brands, I don’t think you will find anyone who has Garhauer stuff to make a bad comment. It is a little heavier than Harken, but costs half as much and is just a functional. And of what consequence is a couple of ounces on a boat that weighs in at close to 15,000 pounds anyway? Rick Brass Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1 la Belle Aurore -1975 C&C 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Adjustable genoa car system for C&C 38 Hi, has anyone looked into getting an adjustable(re-tractable) geona car system for an old style C&C genoa tracks? By adjustable I mean something like this, but components would have to be compatible with the C&C style genoa track.. http://www.southernseasmarine.com.au/image/cache/data/EZ%20Glide-500x500.jpg Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 C&C 38MkII Newport, RI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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