Duh! Not 92! Sorry. Rich
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 23:19, Ken Heaton <[email protected]> wrote: > > I keep a spreadsheet like Chuck's assembled out of publicly available > information (or personal knowledge). I've located about 79 of the 90 or so > 37+ & XL and 25 of the 25 or so 37R's that were built. All the R's seemed to > have been built in '89 or '90 (with one aberration built in '93). The 37+ & > XL's were built in '88, '89, '90, '91, '93 & '94. None in 1992. I don't > think C&C built any boats at all in 1992. > > Spreadsheet headings I use are: > > Boat Name: Salazar > Previous Names: Lady Hawke, Seven, 1 Dolce Vita 1 > 37 R?: No > Type: XL > Keel: 8' 2" > Year: 1990 > Owner: Kenneth Alan Heaton & Anne Marie Tobin (former owner - Allan James > Stokes, Will Apold) > Owner's Address: > Owner Since: 2010 > Sail #: CAN 54955 > VIN: > Hull Number (HIN): > #: 67 > Call Sign: > Hailing Port: Sydney, NS > Location: Sydney, NS > Email: > Phone: > Web Site: > Information Source: > Date: > Notes: > > > Ken H. > > >> On 4 March 2014 21:56, Richard N. Bush <[email protected]> wrote: >> Chuck, I like your spreadsheet idea, can you share the headings and data >> categories you keep? I believe this information was once on the photoalbum, >> but it hasn't been maintained or made available due to an information loss a >> few years ago. I think many of us would like to keep such information about >> where similar models are and how they are equipped. Thanks >> >> Richard >> >> Richard N. Bush Law Offices >> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 >> Louisville, Kentucky 40220 >> 502-584-7255 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chuck S <[email protected]> >> To: kenheaton <[email protected]>; cnc-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 5:43 pm >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Understanding the 34/36 layup >> >> Right you are Ken. >> FYI, I believe from researching HIN numbers, there were only 9) 34Rs ever >> built, all in '89 and '90. These boats were raced in high profile regattas >> imediately after delivery to establish interest and generate sales. After >> those C&C built 85) plus and XL models after that, the majority in '90 and >> '91. >> >> I keep a spreadsheet of 34/36 boats and owners that lists 56 of the 94 boats >> built, 75% in 1990, none in 1991, another batch in 1992, none in 1993, and a >> few more in 1996. Tough years for C&C. >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Atlantic City, NJ >> From: "Ken Heaton" <[email protected]> >> To: "cnc-list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:42:59 AM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Understanding the 34/36 layup >> >> Chuck, I think you'll find that the "R" version will have plywood where the >> "+" and "XL" versions do not. It seems as the "R" were the first built and >> were built in fewer numbers (25 or so 37R vs. 100 or so 37+ & XL) and used >> more straight flat plywood interior pieces giving a stiffer, lighter hull. >> The + and XL had floors and "spider" (interior grid) made up on a mould and >> fitted and bonded into the hull. >> >> Ken H. >> >> >>> On 3 March 2014 23:09, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Jean-Francois, >>> Not sure where you got the research info? >>> >>> I've got hull number 2 in the 34/36 series and I am holding a 4" circle of >>> the deck I cut out for a solar fan and I find the balsa is 3/4" thick and >>> the rest of your layup list is probably right. As I look at the edge and >>> count the layers of glass and Kevlar, I see the outer layer is thicker than >>> the inside layer. >>> >>> Another thing I see is they tapered the edges of the balsa to where the >>> hull is solid. Some areas of the hull are solid laminate from the >>> hull/deck flange down to about 4" from the sheerline. The deck is solid >>> laminate about 4" in from the outer edge making a waterway, and all >>> vertical panels in the cockpit sides and along the cabin sides where the >>> windows are, have no balsa. I was surprised to find the transom is solid >>> laminate. But most horizontal surfaces have balsa coring for stiffening. >>> Including the spray hood that covers the companionway slide which has 3/8" >>> balsa coring, while the forward slanted surface and vertical sides of it >>> are solid. >>> >>> The floors on our boat (what the floorboards sit on) are built of two or >>> three layers of 3/4" marine grade plywood and are covered in at least 13 >>> alternating layers of glass and kevlar which become about 1/4" of solid >>> laminate over the wooden beams. (I had to repair some damage and counted >>> the layers before duplicating the original.) It's important that all >>> edges are well rounded and inner angles are filleted. A boat builder told >>> me the wood was really just a mold and the laminate provides the strength >>> and stiffens the hull. >>> >>> You sound as passionate about your 34+ as I am about my R. >>> >>> Chuck >>> Resolute >>> 1990 C&C 34R >>> Atlantic City, NJ >>> From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 8:34:22 PM >>> Subject: Stus-List Understanding Composites >>> >>> So the Kevlar in the 34+ series and 37+ a well was not 'straight' Kevlar >>> but a hybrid and E-glass I guess this way you'd get the lightweight >>> resiliency of Kevlar with the stiffness of the glass: >>> >>> DuPont Aramat C72K/200 seems to have been an E-glass/Kevlar hybrid weave. >>> (From research on the web): >>> >>> Composition of the glass/Kevlar hybrid, DuPont's Aramat 72K/200: >>> >>> Component G/SQ.M OZ/SQ.YD Wt. % in Base Fabric Wt. % >>> inTotal Fabric >>> Glass Fiber 245.6 7.2 63 >>> 41.1 >>> Kevlar 49 144.0 4.2 37 >>> 24.0 >>> Mat Backing 200.0 5.9 -- >>> 33.5 >>> Stitching Yarn 8.0 0.2 -- >>> 1.4 >>> Total 597.6 17.5 >>> >>> >>> Also, in keeping with the stiffness / resiliency theme, the grid area on >>> those boats is a combo of the aforementioned Kevlar hybrid along with the >>> keel / mast step area containing Epoxy resin and Nomex (Also Kevlar based) >>> Honeycomb mat which was known for high cost but high strength / stiffness >>> with low weight and came from the Aerospace industry >>> >>> Here's the lay-up schedule: >>> >>> Topsides (total thickness 1.19") >>> 1. Gelcoat >>> 2. 1.5 oz. Chop >>> 3. 1.5 oz. Mat >>> 4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat >>> 5. 1” Balsa Core >>> 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat >>> >>> Bottom (total thickness 1.23") >>> 1. Gelcoat >>> 2. 1.5 oz. Chop >>> 3. 1.5 oz. Mat >>> 4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat >>> 5. 1” Balsa Core >>> 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat >>> >>> To avoid the potential issues with the balsa core on the factory mounted >>> through hulls, the through hull areas are devoid of balsa core made of >>> solid composite kevlar / Hydrex isophatlic resin (A type of Vinylester). >>> The isophtalic resin cures from the inside out and is very water resistant >>> (Read blister resistant) >>> >>> So what does all that mean? No Blisters, (My boat has one about half the >>> size a pencil eraser) No chalking, very stiff: all bulkhead doors open and >>> close like a safe, less weight means it can carry more ballast in the keel >>> and handle a pretty high power to weigh ratio (Around 12,500 lbs for 795 SQ >>> ft using the 135 gib, 96 base phrf) while having a fully teak lined cabin, >>> almost king sized bed in the aft cabin, separate shower with stand--room. / >>> shower curtain, and all the cruising amenities.. >>> >>> -Francois >>> 1990 C&C34+ "Take Five" >>> Lake Lanier, Georgia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected]
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