Time out Dwight.
Your doctor comment is inappropriate. On this
list we are amongst friends regardless of our opinion. Please be civil.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I see a Doctor
of Chiropractic Medicine about six times a year.
I am very happy with the results after each
visit. Furthermore, I see a "real" doctor very
seldom... maybe three times in the past ten
years. The results speak for themselves.
On the subject of overbearing rules, I belive we
are profoundly heading down the road where all
activities will be regulated and our favourite
activities will be deemed dangerous.
I did sail offshore with a 6 year old boy and his
mother. She had sailed once before in the
kindergarten known as the Gulf Islands and the
lad had never been on a sailboat. They joined me
in Jamaica and got off at Hawaii via French
Polynesia. The boat was a 32' Southern Cross
named Dove. PO & builder sailed around the world
with the wife & two daughters and their son was
born in South Africa after repairs to a
dismasting. Steven came across the Atlantic at the age of one.
Free trade and sailor's rights, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
At 05:18 PM 09/04/2014, you wrote:
Are you really a doctor??? This does not sound
like a real doctor talking
governments try to
make laws that society wants
oh I see you are in
chiropractic medicine, let me fix you now and
please return every 2 weeks for the rest of your life for another fix
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From: CnC-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar
Sent: April 9, 2014 2:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...
I agree wholeheartedly.
Society, in our attempt to make idiot proof, is
making our lives so full of rules and
regulations that we hardly know what to do unless we are told.
I read a short article in Discover magazine a
while back - it talked about a small town in
northern Europe (Sweden?) that decided to install their first traffic light.
A year later they had experienced a significant
increase in the number of accidents at the intersection.
In the resulting study they learned that with a
light telling them what to do, people didn't put
any thought into the process. If the light was
green they just drove through the intersection
-- if someone coming the other way accidentally
entered the intersection then there was an accident.
Take away the light and people would approach
the intersection looking for any possible
trouble - eyes open and brain engaged. They
took out the traffic light and the number of
accidents reverted back to normal levels.
I feel we suffer the same problem in so many
areas. I counted 13 street signs in the 500m
leading up to my kids school a few months back
--- I'm supposed to read all those and obey --
but at the same time I really should be watching
the road looking for kids possibly crossing!!!!
On some levels driver distraction has become the
biggest cause of accidents because we have made
roads so smooth and consistent that people don't
need to pay much attention - until something unexpected happens.
Yes there are risks taking kids on that type of
trip. I've never been offshore so I won't try
to comment on the relative risks - but I do
think that taking kids on such a trip is
reasonably appropriate given some thought has gone into the planning etc.
To quote a comedian - "You can't fix stupid" ---
unfortunately our governments are trying to
write laws for just that purpose. Laws that end
up entangling people who are making reasonable decisions.
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George SantayanaOn 09/04/2014 1:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
I think this starts to get into a wider
discussion. People like to talk about how
survival of the fittest and evolution created
all that we know, including us, and they will
defend the teaching of evolution in the school
system etc. Well, the warning labels, idiot
proofing and regulation have essentially
defeated evolution. So the laws of evolution no
longer apply, is that what we want? Stupid
people have lots of kids, what's that doing the gene pool?
We live in an aquarium.
People around here like to talk about how
"driving isn't a right, it's a privilege".
Well, judging by how terrible the drivers are
around here I'de say it's a right (not that I
agree with that). We've dumbed everything down
to the point where people can't take
responsibility for their own actions anymore.
To me, it's their family, their decision.
Personally though I think these people are
smarter (evolutionarily "better") than most
people I encounter on a daily basis.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Jerome Tauber
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
This discussion needs some balance. If you do
not recognize the inherent dangers of
trans-oceanic cruising in a small (and in this
case also old) boat then you are lacking in
seamanship and navigation skills. To deny
these risks is merely and expression of lack of
knowledge and understanding of good
seamanship. To expose a young child to these
risks in my view demonstrates questionable
judgment and an unreasonable risk to the life
and safety of the child. The possibility of
injury or illness without resort to medical
facilities is in itself questionable. Two
people as a crew under adverse sea conditions
is limited at best and adding the need to watch
and protect the childred during a storm makes
it much worse. What if the child fell and
suffered a serious injury? I have been
offshore in storms and it requires total
attention to the boat and crew safety. Let's
a least be fair. This is not a one sided
discussion. At a very minimum a sailor must
recognize these risks and be willing to subject
their young children to them without the
consent of the children. Comparing to a car
is not a good one. In NY young children must
be strapped into an approved child seat in the
back of the car. Doors must have child safety
locks. Boats offshore are unregulated. I was
a product safety attorney for many years and I
have seen the cost of not recognizing and
taking proper precautions when engaging in hazardous activities.
Jerome Tauber, C&C 27 MKV
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevan Plavsa <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: cnc-list <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 11:07 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...
You guys that grew up sailing are lucky, don't
forget it. I started sailing at 30 and closing
the gap on things that you simply learn by
osmosis growing up around sailors is hard. (as
is evident by my high post count to this list)
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Della Barba,
Joe <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Good for you! Theyll be telling their kids about it.
I can embarrass my son with this photo.
<http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG>http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:44 AM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...
I didnt start sailing young enough to have had
that experience; but you can be darn sure my kids did!
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Della Barba, Joe
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I still remember watching the east coast drop
out of view astern with nothing but Atlantic
Ocean ahead at age 12. It was a BIG thrill at that age J
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