Dennis,
Thanks for the explanation.  I race on a Pearson 32 so that probably
contributes to our high success rate.

Long hoist = premature filling.  I guess thats one advantage of having a
short stick. ;-)

Josh
On Apr 11, 2014 12:48 PM, "Dennis C." <[email protected]> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> In heavy air, a chute can fill before fully hoisted even when blanketed by
> the headsail.  Remember, in heavy air, you may be flying a smaller headsail
> with less blanketing potential.  If the chute fills prematurely, the mast
> person is usually unable to complete the hoist and the chute must be ground
> up with a winch.  Banding the chute (and not spreading the clews) allows
> full hoist before filling.
>
> Some, but not all, crews can complete hoists prior to filling in small to
> medium size boats.  Depends a lot on the mast person.  Touche's usual mast
> person is a fairly strong and quick young guy.  He can hoist the chute in a
> flash.  The mast person and pit person must work together to ensure the
> tail is pulled through the rope clutch.  Larger boats with tall rigs are
> more susceptible to premature filling since the hoist is longer.
>
> To hoist in heavy air, leave the clews in or near the bag.  Spread the
> clews only after the chute is fully or nearly fully hoisted to reduce the
> potential for early filling.  This also increases the potential for a twist
> so the guy trimmer and chute trimmer need to be really quick about
> spreading the clews once the chute is up.  The key to eliminating twists if
> for the chute to fill from the foot up.  This is where banding really
> helps.  If the chute begins to fill above the bottom panel, chances are it
> will twist.
>
> Very different technique in light air.  On Touche', we spread the clews
> early in light air.  We usually pre-feed the tack to the pole jaw and then
> pull the pole back a couple feet several boat lengths prior to the windward
> mark.  The bow person gathers the chute's foot and luff at the bag and
> holds it until hoist.  The trimmer begins to spread the clews as the hoist
> begins, the bowman lets the chute go and it fills.  We use a newer style
> rectangular bag with hook and loop closures.  The closures release when the
> chute is hoisted.  We start the hoist a boat length or so before the mark.
> Hopefully, the chute is up and filled within a boat length of rounding.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Josh Muckley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I guess I just thought you had a better way or a reason that our way
>> doesn't/wouldn't work for you.  Maybe our way requires more crew than you
>> have or maybe your helm/tactician don't like going as far downwind to
>> shadow the spin?
>>
>> I guess, to put it differently, what value does banding the spin add
>> compared to a traditional launch from the bag or hatch?
>>
>> Josh
>> On Apr 11, 2014 11:55 AM, "Bill Coleman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>  Sounds like you are doing everything right, seems to be working for
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Not sure what your question is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Coleman
>>>
>>> C&C 39
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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