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2. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Ronald B. Frerker)
3. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Russ & Melody)
4. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Della Barba, Joe)
5. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Bill Bina - gmail)
6. Re: Furling the main (David Knecht)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:27:36 -0500
From: Marek Dziedzic <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
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Burt,
Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack
pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or
major modifications to it) or a new sail cover.
You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own
kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many
others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use.
A few points that you might find useful:
- If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required
for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember
correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to
the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was
around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the
line than to make it longer (;-).
- If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks
to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising
the sail much easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider.
- Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little
blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through
the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV.
- And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you
are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to
find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g.
Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct
sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is
"Catalina Direct" does not mean that the set would not be useful, because
there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces
of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an
advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps,
Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you
might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that
might be an easier way to tackle the job.
Good luck
Marek (in cold Ottawa)
Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the
wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year!
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Burt
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: February-23-15 21:07
To: 'Dennis C.'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Dennis,
Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly
a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of
experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing
otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors.
There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head
sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks
I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable
upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger
is going to pick it up in March. I?ll speak to them about this. Hopefully
it cost less than all new self-tailing winches.
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis
C. via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt,
Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several
Harken Lazy Jack systems.
However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when
single handing.
Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around
your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the
main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into
itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the
rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom.
Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely.
I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main".
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
mandeville, LA
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List
<[email protected]> wrote:
This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind? and
helpful
I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is
some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and
lowering of one?s mains?l
I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen
them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of
the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom
when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks
like it might second as a topping lift.
Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves? because
we are sailors, after all)
This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
(roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
Walpole, MA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:05:41 -0800
From: "Ronald B. Frerker" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
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I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future
containment.
As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would be
the best way. More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite effective.
Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL
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On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM
Hi Ron,
Are you talking about the original event or spill
containment?
:)
Good question really, there was only one bottle but...
???????? Cheers,
Russ
????????Sweet
mk-1
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:55:13 -0800
From: Russ & Melody <[email protected]>
To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <[email protected]>,[email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
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Sorry Ron.
Somewhere along the way this got serious.
Wally says he blew a container in his cockpit and asks for help
cleaning it up. <VBG>
We rally some help and he sorta comes clean, "I wasn't wearing
shorts and "oiled myself".
Yada yada.
You suggest he "may want to wrap them individually in plastic
grocery bags and duct tape. At least if they crack they'd be contained."
HILARIOUS. We should have stopped there.
Then it got too deep for me.
Cheers, Russ
At 09:05 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:
I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future
containment.
As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would
be the best way. More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite
effective.
Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL
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On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM
Hi Ron,
Are you talking about the original event or spill
containment?
:)
Good question really, there was only one bottle but...
Cheers,
Russ
Sweet
mk-1
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:49:54 +0000
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[email protected]>
To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
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https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.thegpsstore.com_Standard-2DHorizon-2DHX851-2DHandheld-2DVHF-2DRadio-2Dwith-2DGPS-2DP2312.aspx&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=zENlJNgA212BmJwWaF38o9e64bC_XbguYCQsWQtnjJQ&e=
Unless there is a flaw in these radios I am not aware of, this is the VHF
handheld bargain of the century. I would buy one or two of these PHRF or
not.
I think I?ll get one myself just on general principles of being a cheap
sailor ?
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete
Shelquist via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:56 PM
To: 'Gary Nylander'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
Gary ?
I?ve been digging for the information you referenced on ?purchased? after
1/1/15. Can you send me a link for that?
Thanks,
Pete
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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:33 PM
To: Joel Aronson; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
Joel, I checked with our CBYRA rep and was told that CBYRA is not the
authority, it is PHRF of the Chesapeake. And I looked at the PHRF web
site and it states that if the handheld is PURCHASED after 1/1/15, then
it must have the DSC capability.
Gary
St. Michaels
----- Original Message -----
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22 PM
Subject: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
All,
Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld
VHF with DSC this season.
Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from
theGPSStore for $125.00
Any reason I should not buy this unit?
35/3
The Office
Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:07:47 -0500
From: Bill Bina - gmail <[email protected]>
To: "Della Barba, Joe" <[email protected]>,
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
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The only "flaw" is that it is a closeout sale to make way for the new
model HX870. The HX851 is a great radio, and at $125 is indeed a bargain.
Bill Bina
On 2/24/2015 7:49 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.thegpsstore.com_Standard-2DHorizon-2DHX851-2DHandheld-2DVHF-2DRadio-2Dwith-2DGPS-2DP2312.aspx&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=zENlJNgA212BmJwWaF38o9e64bC_XbguYCQsWQtnjJQ&e=
Unless there is a flaw in these radios I am not aware of, this is the
VHF handheld bargain of the century. I would buy one or two of these
PHRF or not.
I think I?ll get one myself just on general principles of being a
cheap sailor J
*/Joe Della Barba/*
*/Coquina/*
*/C&C 35 MK I/*
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 10:56 PM
*To:* 'Gary Nylander'; [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
Gary ?
I?ve been digging for the information you referenced on ?purchased?
after 1/1/15. Can you send me a link for that?
Thanks,
Pete
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Gary Nylander via CnC-List
*Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:33 PM
*To:* Joel Aronson; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
Joel, I checked with our CBYRA rep and was told that CBYRA is not the
authority, it is PHRF of the Chesapeake. And I looked at the PHRF web
site and it states that if the handheld is PURCHASED after 1/1/15,
then it must have the DSC capability.
Gary
St. Michaels
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Joel Aronson via CnC-List <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22 PM
*Subject:*Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC
All,
Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a
handheld VHF with DSC this season.
Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS
from theGPSStore for $125.00
Any reason I should not buy this unit?
35/3
The Office
Annapolis
Joel
301 541 8551
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:19:53 -0500
From: David Knecht <[email protected]>
To: CnC CnC discussion list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
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On my last boat, I installed a set of EZJax
(https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ezjax.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=aPxS51UcJnWfHgPrrk9O7K2GfRzlBB07HIjYVUg29D0&e=
). They were less expensive than the Harken and the setup was well
designed. It is not hard to do it yourself, but getting all the lengths
and positions right will take some careful measurements and probably
several tries. I decided that having someone experienced design the
right sized system for my mast and sail was worth the small extra
investment. EZ-jax also had a nice setup for retracting the lines, which
makes it easier to hoist the sail. That said, I am installing a Mack
Pack/lazyjack on my current boat this spring if the ice and snow melt
before the sailing season is over. I liked their combination of lazy
jacks and sail cover. The setup that came with my boat was poorly
designed and a pain to use. It shows me that while you can cobble
something together that sort of works (what the boat came with), it does
not make life easier unless it works well. Dave
On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
<[email protected]> wrote:
Burt,
Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack
pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or
major modifications to it) or a new sail cover.
You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own
kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and
many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use.
A few points that you might find useful:
- If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required
for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I
remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines
going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and
it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut
the line than to make it longer (;-).
- If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks
to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising
the sail much easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider.
- Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little
blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut
through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV.
- And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you
are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to
find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g.
Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina
Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact
that it is "Catalina Direct" does not mean that the set would not be
useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is
just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit
like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts,
drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked
you question, you might not have too much experience with boat work, so
a kit like that might be an easier way to tackle the job.
Good luck
Marek (in cold Ottawa)
Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the
wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year!
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Burt
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: February-23-15 21:07
To: 'Dennis C.'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Dennis,
Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was
admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my
lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I
appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and
judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main
and sailed with head sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks
I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable
upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger
is going to pick it up in March. I?ll speak to them about this.
Hopefully it cost less than all new self-tailing winches.
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt,
Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several
Harken Lazy Jack systems.
However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when
single handing.
Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties
around your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw
the main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail
into itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie
around the rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom.
Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely.
I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main".
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
mandeville, LA
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List
<[email protected]> wrote:
This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind? and
helpful
I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is
some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and
lowering of one?s mains?l
I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen
them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of
the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom
when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks
like it might second as a topping lift.
Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves? because
we are sailors, after all)
This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
(roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
Walpole, MA
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