Echo Steve's comments. Firefly's A4 is 40 years old. Still reliable as hell.
Marvel Mystery Oil gets some of the credit Mid-range fuel is better now that
there's no lead..
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From: "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: 2016-02-03 3:32 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
An A4 does not a dealbreaker make.
I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:
30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over
their A4 brethren.
A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor.
Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time.
All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well
maintained (gas OR diesel).
A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At
the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might
need to be, because .... 30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.
My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as
one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for
me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k.
Again, to my mind, there's no value there.
I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it
doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around
the boat for the parts and install.
Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's
taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years,
maybe I'll have time to rebuild it.
If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff
test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the
motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc.
Cheers,
Steve
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
Rino,
Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed. To be fair,
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in
each model.
That said, we are in C&C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats
and a few actually worked for C&C over the years. (one - a dutch name escapes
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C&C
boats. No affiliation or relationship etc...
have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e.
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk
416-526-3845
That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.....lift
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a
plastic boat)
One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.
Good Luck!
Dave - 1985 33ii
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.
I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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