Practicing reefing and getting comfortable doing it easily and quickly is a vital skill set for offshore work. Made a big difference for the Havana race this Fall. We added small blocks at the cringle points to reduce friction helped quite a bit. Steve Thorne Dejavu 34+
Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:08 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: When to reef C&C 33-2 (John and Maryann Read) > 2. Re: When to reef C&C 33-2 (Dennis C.) > 3. Early 30-1 Interior Doors ([email protected]) > 4. Re: When to reef C&C 33-2 (Patrick Davin) > 5. 30-1 Vang Refit? ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Post to list (Tracy Hirsh) > 7. Re: Post to list (Alan Liles) > 8. Re: Post to list (Alan Liles) > 9. Post to list (Tom Buscaglia) > 10. Re: Post to list (Peter Fell) > 11. Re: Post to list (Alan Liles) > 12. Re: ; A Unit of Time book (Richard N. Bush) > 13. Re: Post to list (Josh Muckley) > 14. Re: When to reef C&C 33-2 (dwight veinot) > 15. Re: 30-1 Vang Refit? (dwight veinot) > 16. Re: 30-1 Vang Refit? (Rick Brass) > 17. Re: 30-1 Vang Refit? (Dennis C.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:02:25 -0500 > From: "John and Maryann Read" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 > Message-ID: <008001d16470$41797a50$c46c6ef0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Depends on if you are racing or cruising, sea state, wind conditions and what > headsail you are using ? to say nothing of what the Admiral will tolerate. > If you are consistently heeling more that 10 or 15 degrees, it is time to > think about reducing sail. One way to do that is size the headsail > appropriately. If it is too big, the start reefing. Reefing early is better > than waiting > > > > Just experiment ? it will become self evident very quickly > > > > John and Maryann > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Welch > via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:42 PM > To: C&C List > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 > > > > Can't wait for spring to get out on our (new to us) 33-2. Looking for input > on when folks start to reef. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Doug > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160210/707ff394/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:41:04 -0600 > From: "Dennis C." <[email protected]> > To: CnClist <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 > Message-ID: > <canir+yuee_rl+87kyjziwym8-wzsatig56jxnkkkwrzxozd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I reef when my beer falls over. :) > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Mike Amirault via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> If I am by myself, flying a 130 genoa, I will reef the main at about >> 15kts, makes for a much more comfortable ride. If I?m lazy, I?ll just fly >> the genoa without main and still have plenty speed. >> >> Mike Amirault >> C&C33ii Lovely Cruise >> St Margarets Bay, NS >> SMSC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160210/ef986dc8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:52:45 +0000 (UTC) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List Early 30-1 Interior Doors > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > C&C Sailors- > > I noticed the owner of C&C 30 MK1 hull #1, Rick Bushie, is on this list. It's > awesome that boat is still sailing, and that her owner is in this community. > > The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought has a sliding door between the salon and > the head, but no door between the head and the v-berth. Some of the C&C 30 > MK1 brochures (I suspect later ones) show a hinged door between salon and > head, and a folding door or double hinged doors between head and v-berth. > Does anyone know if the door(s) between head and v-berth were an addition in > later hull numbers? Or maybe my boat's doors were removed by a former owner > and never replaced. Thanks in advance. > > Also, Rick, what is the displacement of your boat? Sailboat data.com and the > brochures show 8000 pounds. But the previous owner of hull #7 thinks it's > higher, like 10,000 pounds. I'll measure her precise displacement by > differencing truck scale weights of loaded and unloaded trailer after I > launch her this spring, but just wanted to check with you. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30 MK1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/9ea97732/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:02:02 -0800 > From: Patrick Davin <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 > Message-ID: > <cahixy6rs-7yjxpevn58lrd6momk88ax+mugfbr-14bfbzpm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There's no simple answer to this (it's something you may just have to find > your own preferences for) but the common answer is around 15 knots - or > wait till 20 knots, but you'll probably be compensating for over-canvasing > at that point (traveled way down, dumping wind, pinching up in gusts, etc). > > You can check out this thread from the archives where I asked a similar > question last year: > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2015-August/077522.html > > I tend to not reef until 20 kts, because in the PNW if it gets to 15-20 kts > in a northerly (high pressure zone), it's typically only for 10 minutes or > so, so it's not worth bothering to reef - it'll be back down to its normal > 10-15 in a few minutes. > > Also makes a big difference whether you have a wind speed instrument or > not. If not, you're guesstimating wind speed and are going to need to use > other signs as well - like weather helm. > > -Patrick > 1984 C&C Landfall 38 > Seattle, WA > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: "C&C List" <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 01:42:17 +0000 (UTC) >> Subject: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 >> Can't wait for spring to get out on our (new to us) 33-2. Looking for >> input on when folks start to reef. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doug >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160210/05fabd02/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 03:27:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > C&C Sailors- > > The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps > because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around > the outside of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard equipment > on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at comparables > before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom > kickers, etc. > > Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have > a vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm worried > about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other hand, I > think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to keep it > down. I'd be interested in your comments. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30 MK1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/df5225e6/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:50:33 -0600 > From: Tracy Hirsh <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: > <canx5xgqedzwjn6jedso1dgq58lyza1onyra8jwxk_soczfw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Congratulations! > Its a beautiful boat and you can look forward to lots of fast races and > comfortable cruising alike! > > Tracy Hirsh > Ogopogo > 1989 C&C 37+ CB > Fairhope AL > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160210/4fa89cef/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:07:01 -0800 > From: Alan Liles <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, 1994. I know that the factory burned that year and I wonder if it was > built before that or finished somewhere else. > > Al Liles > SV Elendil > Victoria, BC > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I also agree, great boat. Elindil is a 1994 I think? One of the newest >> Canadian C&C's out there. >> >> Congratulations. >> >> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin >> S/V Salazar - Can 54955 >> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 >> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia >> >> http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/ >> >>> On 10 February 2016 at 21:17, Gary Russell via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Al, >>> It's a great boat! Welcome. >>> Gary >>> S/V High Maintenance >>> '90 C&C 37+ >>> East Greenwich, RI, USA >>> >>> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Alan Liles via CnC-List >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The deal just closed. I'm the new owner of C&C 37/40+ Elendil out of >>>> Victoria. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Al >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> [email protected] >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> [email protected] >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160210/0b0d400d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:12:24 -0800 > From: Alan Liles <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks for the warm welcome. > > Cheers, Al > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Congratulations! >> Its a beautiful boat and you can look forward to lots of fast races and >> comfortable cruising alike! >> >> Tracy Hirsh >> Ogopogo >> 1989 C&C 37+ CB >> Fairhope AL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:31:31 -0800 > From: Tom Buscaglia <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Al > > Great get! Hope to see you this summer...maybe you can make it to the > August C&C Rendezvous. This link should be updated, eventually. > http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ > > Again, congrats on getting one great boat! > > Tom Buscaglia > S/V Alera > 1990 C&C 37+/40 > Vashon WA > P 206.463.9200 > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:09:49 -0800 >> From: Alan Liles <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Stus-List Post to list >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> The deal just closed. I'm the new owner of C&C 37/40+ Elendil out of >> Victoria. >> >> Cheers, Al >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:17:22 -0500 >> From: Gary Russell <[email protected]> >> To: "C&C List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list >> Message-ID: >> <cabgkxpl-1owo-kxaceppnkm-7dkd1uyawrkuhgrebdky5h-...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Al, >> It's a great boat! Welcome. >> Gary >> S/V High Maintenance >> '90 C&C 37+ >> East Greenwich, RI, USA >> >> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:37:42 -0800 > From: "Peter Fell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Congrats! Beautiful boat. > > Going to keep it in Sidney? > > Peter Fell > Sidney, BC > Cygnet > C&C 27 MkIII > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Liles via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Alan Liles > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > > Thanks for the warm welcome. > > Cheers, Al > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Congratulations! >> Its a beautiful boat and you can look forward to lots of fast races and >> comfortable cruising alike! >> >> Tracy Hirsh >> Ogopogo >> 1989 C&C 37+ CB >> Fairhope AL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 22:23:08 -0800 > From: Alan Liles <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > No, I'm bringing it to Vancouver when I can. > > Cheers, Al > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Congrats! Beautiful boat. >> >> Going to keep it in Sidney? >> >> Peter Fell >> Sidney, BC >> Cygnet >> C&C 27 MkIII >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Liles via CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Alan Liles >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list >> >> Thanks for the warm welcome. >> >> Cheers, Al >> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations! >>> Its a beautiful boat and you can look forward to lots of fast races and >>> comfortable cruising alike! >>> >>> Tracy Hirsh >>> Ogopogo >>> 1989 C&C 37+ CB >>> Fairhope AL >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> [email protected] >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:34:13 -0500 > From: "Richard N. Bush" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List ; A Unit of Time book > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Sometime last fall, someone on this list mentioned a couple of books for > reading, one was Whynott's "A Unit of Water, A Unit of Time", which I > purchased and have just finished. I failed to note the name of the person > who suggested this book, but I wish to say thank you; what a great work! I > knew nothing of the Maine boat building world or of Joel White, but this book > immerses one into the middle of the boat yards and the wood shavings and the > boat launchings...I thoroughly enjoyed this book. I was astounded when I > read that EB White, who had written the "Elements of Style", a book I have > used for 38 years in my office, was the same person who had written of boats > and whose son this book was about...; > > This is another, perhaps hidden joy of this list...in addition to boat repair > tips and product sourcing...one can be guided through the nautical literary > scene...so thank you again to the person who made the recommendation. > > NB; I am now going to begin "Solo Around the Horn" by Hartjoy... > > > Richard > 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; > > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/2f98b8fb/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 04:48:23 -0500 > From: Josh Muckley <[email protected]> > To: "C&C List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Post to list > Message-ID: > <ca+zacrcnraaldy4rgxj92q++k1rn3bcstrdb3dauoqg8jcg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Congrats! > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Feb 10, 2016 8:10 PM, "Alan Liles via CnC-List" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The deal just closed. I'm the new owner of C&C 37/40+ Elendil out of >> Victoria. >> >> Cheers, Al >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/eec12244/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:00:37 -0400 > From: dwight veinot <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 > Message-ID: > <CAAX9F+FjeQfUGZr-q+j9CtdYZ6YJKxGfWzKv=hghy2pihwf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Are we talking true or apparent wind speeds with respect to when to reef? > > If I am just out for an easy cruise which I start before noon with the > full main and 130 RF genoa, often times rather than reef the main I > just get rid of the furling genoa when the afternoon wind pipes up. > When the wind approaches 18-20 kts apparent my 35 MKII is really > comfortable under main alone and gets close to 6 kts to weather, > that's nice cruising with no jib sheets to mess up the cockpit, > especially convenient with new comers on board who may not appreciate > higher angles of heel or for 2 old guys just looking to enjoy the day > going nowhere special, just the boat sailing us around by itself with > minimal input from me, All sail control like tacking and jibing is > much easier under main alone...Robert and I do this often, we are the > 2 old guys just looking to enjoy the day. > > If f I want to get that extra power and pointing ability from the > genoa I find reefing the main (1st reef) is a benefit above 17 kts > apparent...Alianna is set up for reefing from the cockpit...contrary > to some approaches I prefer to stay in the cockpit so I have all sail > control lines led aft except for spinn halyard but even with that I am > sometimes lazy and go with a fisherman's reef or just foot off to a > more pleasant rdie > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > [email protected] > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List > <[email protected]> wrote: >> There's no simple answer to this (it's something you may just have to find >> your own preferences for) but the common answer is around 15 knots - or wait >> till 20 knots, but you'll probably be compensating for over-canvasing at >> that point (traveled way down, dumping wind, pinching up in gusts, etc). >> >> You can check out this thread from the archives where I asked a similar >> question last year: >> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2015-August/077522.html >> >> I tend to not reef until 20 kts, because in the PNW if it gets to 15-20 kts >> in a northerly (high pressure zone), it's typically only for 10 minutes or >> so, so it's not worth bothering to reef - it'll be back down to its normal >> 10-15 in a few minutes. >> >> Also makes a big difference whether you have a wind speed instrument or not. >> If not, you're guesstimating wind speed and are going to need to use other >> signs as well - like weather helm. >> >> -Patrick >> 1984 C&C Landfall 38 >> Seattle, WA >> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: "C&C List" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 01:42:17 +0000 (UTC) >>> Subject: Stus-List When to reef C&C 33-2 >>> Can't wait for spring to get out on our (new to us) 33-2. Looking for >>> input on when folks start to reef. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doug >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:01:17 -0400 > From: dwight veinot <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? > Message-ID: > <CAAX9F+HnWV5d76_eh2K0wE0nMo1C7BN1gFa=g1omvnpxqwx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > you need a vang of some sort > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > [email protected] > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List > <[email protected]> wrote: >> C&C Sailors- >> >> The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps >> because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around >> the outside of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard >> equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at >> comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, >> boom kickers, etc. >> >> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have >> a vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm >> worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other >> hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help >> to keep it down. I'd be interested in your comments. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Cheers, >> Randy Stafford >> S/V Grenadine >> C&C 30 MK1 #7 >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:53:45 -0500 > From: "Rick Brass" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Randy, > > > > I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the > early 70s C&C models, though whether standard or optional I don?t know. > > > > My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of the > gear included a large yellow metal ?hoop?, in the top of which was a narrow > slot (sort of like a big ?C? with a small opening) and on either side of the > slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with the sail > going up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at the bottom > of the hoop. > > > > Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don?t see roller reefing > booms any more. > > > > I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I still > keep the old ?hoop? and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the boat as > conversation pieces. > > > > Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal > preferences. > > > > Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist off > and spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. The > tendency for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, but the > more off the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you will get. > The boom could be made of depleted uranium and would still not significantly > stop the process. > > > > A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to > tension the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will > support the boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the > constant irritations of the topping lift ? getting tangled in the backstay, > needing adjustment when you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop > sail and having the boom fall into the cockpit, yada yada. > > > > There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits of > various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list archives > and read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list have a > Garhauer rigid vang. > > > > Rick Brass > > Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 > > la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy > Stafford via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? > > > > C&C Sailors- > > > > The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps > because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around > the outside of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard > equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at > comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, > boom kickers, etc. > > > > Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have > a vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm > worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other > hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to > keep it down. I'd be interested in your comments. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Cheers, > > Randy Stafford > > S/V Grenadine > > C&C 30 MK1 #7 > > Ken Caryl, CO > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/294fa9bd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:07:49 -0600 > From: "Dennis C." <[email protected]> > To: CnClist <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? > Message-ID: > <CANir+yu7BScF8oHSJoPzL7=ewGgZt=s8bxpxbvq6bksaiud...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My reply on this would read the same as Rick's. I still have the crank for > the roller boom but the "C" bail is long gone. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Randy, >> >> >> >> I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the >> early 70s C&C models, though whether standard or optional I don?t know. >> >> >> >> My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of >> the gear included a large yellow metal ?hoop?, in the top of which was a >> narrow slot (sort of like a big ?C? with a small opening) and on either >> side of the slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with >> the sail going up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at >> the bottom of the hoop. >> >> >> >> Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don?t see roller reefing >> booms any more. >> >> >> >> I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I >> still keep the old ?hoop? and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the >> boat as conversation pieces. >> >> >> >> Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal >> preferences. >> >> >> >> Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist >> off and spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. >> The tendency for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, >> but the more off the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you >> will get. The boom could be made of depleted uranium and would still not >> significantly stop the process. >> >> >> >> A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to >> tension the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will >> support the boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the >> constant irritations of the topping lift ? getting tangled in the backstay, >> needing adjustment when you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop >> sail and having the boom fall into the cockpit, yada yada. >> >> >> >> There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits >> of various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list >> archives and read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list >> have a Garhauer rigid vang. >> >> >> >> Rick Brass >> >> *Imzadi *C&C 38 mk 2 >> >> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1 >> >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Randy >> Stafford via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:27 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? >> >> >> >> C&C Sailors- >> >> >> >> The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps >> because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around >> the outside of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard >> equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at >> comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with >> bangs, boom kickers, etc. >> >> >> >> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to >> have a vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? >> I'm worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the >> other hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may >> help to keep it down. I'd be interested in your comments. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Randy Stafford >> >> S/V Grenadine >> >> C&C 30 MK1 #7 >> >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> [email protected] >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160211/66698b9f/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > [email protected] > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 121, Issue 38 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
