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1. Re: NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki (ALAN BERGEN)
2. Re: C&C 30-2 -when to reef?? (Kevin Driscoll)
3. Re: Roller Furling Line (Joel Aronson)
4. Re: continuous line furlers (Martin Kane)
5. Re: NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki (Chuck Gilchrest)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:33:45 -0700
From: ALAN BERGEN <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki
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Check out the yacht clubs in your area. Possibly one or two in your
marina. Not all clubs are the large, rich snooty kinds. You'll get to
meet
racers who can give you advice. Also, lots of social activities.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland. OR
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
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Hey listers,
After working on her all winter (repaint, total re-wire, rigging and
interior spruce ups), I splashed my new-to-me 1976 30mki for the first
time
a couple weeks ago in Brooklyn. This past weekend we sailed from
Brooklyn,
outside and back in through the Manasquan inlet and into the Barnegat
Bay.
It was a great ride. After just a few hours on the boat my dad was
already
wondering how we could race her. He raced sunfish and other tiny boats
in
Mass as a kid.
We know zip zero about racing on a boat this size, but it's something my
dad and I would love to get into. Does anyone have any suggestions for
how
to get into the sport with this boat in the NYC/NJ area?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Ryan
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:34:15 +0000
From: Kevin Driscoll <[email protected]>
To: "C&C List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30-2 -when to reef??
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Allen to your question:
Main
- outhaul
- cunningham
- backstay tensioner (mech)
- fixed baby stay (which I am going to remove to the mast)
- cabin top traveler
- boom vang
- Fisherman's reef
- 1st, 2nd, 3rd reefs
- halyard tenshion
Head
- backstay tensioner
- adjustable cars
- Halyard tension
- Roller furler (but we change headsails depending on conditions and
don't partially furl much)
I'm not a Volvo racer, but I do race weekly on a variety of keel boats
(racing to Hawaii July 12, Pac Cup), and can manage sail shape. Granted
my
sails are tired, and the 30-2 is a great boat albeit a bit tender.
How much crew do you have on the rail when racing?
Best,
Kevin
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:00 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
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Port ring comes down and hooks on the stbd horn and vice versa. Don't
try
to imagine the dogbone as coming down and hooking on both horns. You
can
make your own dogbone easy with a piece of amsteel and 2 rings.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 21, 2016 1:54 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List"
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Ah ha, thanks for the link and picture in it. Dogbone .
On Jun 21, 2016 11:49 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" <
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https://goo.gl/images/SFjSqC
On Jun 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <
[email protected]> wrote:
Humm, what's a dog bone? I'll be sailing 90% single.
On Jun 21, 2016 10:13 AM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" <
[email protected]> wrote:
I, too, carry a 140 genoa, and reef around 12 knots. I like to
keep
the boat on its "feet". So, 10 to 15 degree heel is good for me.
Nervous or not, you'll start to feel weather helm at 10 to 12 knots,
and you'll want to reef [the main 1st] to keep up your speed and
reduce
pressure on the rudder.
You are correct that this boat is "tender". I believe there is a
chart in the photoalbum archives that documents this as well as the
30-1's
stiffness.
That said, the boat carries a lot of sail area, and it's fast IMO.
Also, I single-hand a lot and typically start with a reef as a
prudent
measure.
If you don't already have them on your main, I recommend adding
"dogbones" to your reef points, to make reefing quick and easy [and
reduce
the possibility of a rip to your sail; they are cheap].
Give a report on your 1st sail.
Pete W.
Siren Song
'91 C&C 30-2 #170
Deltaville, VA
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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:25:31 +0000 (UTC)
From: Allan Rheaume <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef?
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Hi Lorne, I carry a 140% headsail on my 30-2. I usually start
getting
overpowered upwind at around 12 knots true.
Al RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 #90
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:59:16 -0400
From: Joel Aronson <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line
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Never heard of removing the core. Sounds stupid! I could see stripping
cover. If the line is as long as the boat, you are probably OK.
Joel
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
[email protected]> wrote:
Joel,
You could use the mid point as an average, but I also leave 3 or 4 wraps
of rope around the drum when the jib is fully furled just to have a
margin
of error when the jib is furled too tight or too loose?
And like Fred said, you could also use a calculus to determine the exact
length you needed. Or measure the line that came off the drum to begin
with?
As was previously mentioned, some folks will remove the core of the rope
that sits on the drum to avoid extra bulk. My only concern with that
approach is when someone uses a winch to furl their jib. Removing the
core
from a double braid rope will reduce tensile strength by nearly 75%.
I?m
more inclined to use a single braided rope such as NER Regatta Braid,
Novabraid Sprint, or Samson Control DPX which will flatten out when
spooled
on a drum, but will retain 100% of tensile strength.
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Joel
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*Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:06 PM
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Chuck,
Why not measure from the mid-point of the drum's circumference?
Be sure you have enough line to wrap it around a winch and tail it.
Joel
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
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Measure the diameter of the drum full of line with the sail out all the
way. Divide by 2 and multiply by pi (3.1415). That will give you the
"circumference" or length of rope for one wrap around the drum. Yes it
will change as the rope unwinds from the drum but for the sake of
argument,
let's use the max circumference as a constant. Measure the distance
from
the drum to the furling line cleat, taking into account any guide blocks
or
rollers that the rope needs to pass through.
Now furl the jib taking care to count the number of turns on the furler
from fully deployed to fully furled.
So the length calculation will be:
Circumference of rope on drum times the number of furler turns plus
distance of drum to cleat plus 7-10' or so extra rope to allow line to
be
handled in different spots of the cockpit.
Depending on conditions such as wind and jib sheet tension while
furling,
my jib can be furled either really tight or rather loose and sloppy.
Tight
almost always requires extra turns on the furler.
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram MA
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On Jun 21, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <
[email protected]> wrote:
Shouldn't it also change as the drum wrap gets thicker?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL
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*From:* Indigo via CnC-List <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Cc:* Indigo <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:48 AM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line
I may be totally wrong, but I don't think there is a direct correlation
between the length of the foot and length of furling line. The marker
the
diameter of the drum, the longer the circumference and thus the longer
the
line required for one rotation - but the circumference of a roll of sail
will be potentially very different.
--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
[email protected]> wrote:
plus the foot length (24')
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:06:47 -0400
From: "Martin Kane" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List continuous line furlers
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I have a Selden GX 7.5 on a 29-2 that I use for my assym.
Pros relative to sock/snuffer are:
1. can rig at dock
2. No need to go to foredeck to release or retrieve
3. Can gybe by furling and the gybing and unfurling, if you want to
4. Can get sail in quickly if wind picks up
5. Get more use of assym as a result of the above.
Cons relative to snuffer are:
Boat bucks
In summary it was a great upgrade.
My forestay is set back from the stem and I'm able to attach the furler
drum
to the stem and not have it interfere with the genoa furler. Without that
clearance you'd need a sprit which would make the package more complex to
install, take more time to rig and cost more.
Martin
C&c 29-2 Recalculating
[email protected]
905 848 0925
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From: Bill Sprouse [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Stus-List continuous line furlers
Is anyone using continuous line furlers for jib or asymmetrical spin?
Thoughts pro or con?
thanks
bill
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:10:31 -0400
From: "Chuck Gilchrest" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki
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Ryan,
Where is the boat being kept? If you?re sailing in Barnegat Bay, Toms
River Yacht Club may have the largest number of PHRF handicap races but
I?m not sure if you need to be a member to compete. Bay Head YC seems to
be more focused on one design racing such as Catboats and Scows.
Further North, Manasquan River YC has several open regattas for PHRF
boats, typically just a mile or so east of Manasquan Inlet. Of course,
getting there from Barnegat Bay isn?t the easiest if you need to
negotiate the time and tides through the Point Pleasant Canal, but it
appears you?re familiar with that.
As others have mentioned, Raritan Bay/ Keyport area is the next stop
north for boat racing, and typically held in the lee of Sandy Hook.
To find out more information, there?s a North Sails loft in Wall Township
on Rt 34 that would likely be dialed in on the local racing scene in your
area.
I spent my summers home from college back in the 1970?s as the boat cop
on the Manasquan River, so I can say with some authority to pick your
times heading in and out of the inlet. It can be very tricky in a
northeasterly blow or with any kind of large sea state and then there?s
the matter of timing your drawbridge transits against the tide and
current which runs both direction in the Manasquan River. Be careful and
seek local knowledge from fellow boaters.
Enjoy the new boat!
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA
From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Ryan Doyle <[email protected]>
Subject: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki
Hey listers,
After working on her all winter (repaint, total re-wire, rigging and
interior spruce ups), I splashed my new-to-me 1976 30mki for the first
time a couple weeks ago in Brooklyn. This past weekend we sailed from
Brooklyn, outside and back in through the Manasquan inlet and into the
Barnegat Bay. It was a great ride. After just a few hours on the boat
my dad was already wondering how we could race her. He raced sunfish and
other tiny boats in Mass as a kid.
We know zip zero about racing on a boat this size, but it's something my
dad and I would love to get into. Does anyone have any suggestions for
how to get into the sport with this boat in the NYC/NJ area?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Ryan
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