Just catching up on this. 


I think that NMEA 2000 has removed a lot of proprietary barriers, but I agree 
they all try to have some exclusivity to keep you in their herd. Garmin seems 
to be the most open, probably because they are the latest Instrument Mfg. to 
the party.


With regards to updating instruments, I don’t know how else you could update 
them unless you had some type of processor (MFD) to interface with them, 
displays don’t have that type of intellect on their own. And of course the 
generation before them you couldn’t update at all, so just being able to 
upgrade somehow is certainly a move forward, not backwards.


I can remember sending my old CRC80 back to Raymarine for a factory update, and 
they re-sealed the screen for me as well. Better than having to buy all new 
hardware for new features.


What DOES irritate me, is Navionics now telling me on my screen every time I 
start, to pay for a yearly subscription for the features I already thought I 
had paid for, such as routing, etc. Now that seems like a ‘Gotcha’, as they are 
taking them away!



Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA


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I agree with you. If I had known Raymarine's love of proprietary, lock-you-in, 
charge-as-much-as-they-please techniques, I probably wouldn't have bought an 
i70 and wind instrument.  (It's pretty astounding how much they charge per foot 
for a backbone cable, and even the little plastic caps you use to terminate it)


I can see how for some people that aspect isn't that important though, there 
are other things to consider like hardware quality and reliability. 


Being in the software industry it was just amazing to see the effort Raymarine 
has made to maintain incompatibility / closed systems. In software if you have 
a common transfer protocol that companies are building their own proprietary 
things on top of, it's either intentional or incompetence. Raymarine doesn't 
seem incompetent so I have to conclude it's intentional. 


Apple is actually a good example of a software company that uses similar 
proprietary lock-in techniques to create a closed system. Just take for example 
their proprietary charging port and the latest iphone decision to remove an 
open standard (audio jack) in favor of a closed standard (Apple charging port 
with proprietary audio jack adapter). 


People that go Apple are deciding that paying a premium for equivalent hardware 
is worth it for whatever benefits they believe they get out of it (ex, better 
UX design?). With Apple it's not as bad though because they at least try to 
make things easier for the consumer. 


The good news is I think software updates to an i70 are much less important 
than updates to a chartplotter. Wind algorithms don't change that often, and 
I'm basically happy with the UI. Charts and charting UI do change often. My 
three Android devices cost less than a Raymarine MFD and provide triple 



S/V Violet Hour, Seattle, WA

C&C LF38


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That's pretty much the nut of it, there is not the same critical mass or 
informed user base as with  mainstream mobile computing, (and this IS mobile 
computing) and today, the tradeoff exists between the benefits (many contrived) 
of single-brand solutions, and the benefits of a more open approach.  Still, 
they have to strategize about their new competition - a $50, full featured 
chartplotter,   (yes, in a relatively fragile device) on technologies with very 
short (relatively) life cycles and blistering innovation rates.   Amazing 


I dealt with the fragility issues by buying a lifeproof case and RAM mount.  
Pretty rugged stuff, and fine for my application - summer sailing on Lake 


I differ a bit on the software upgrade opinion - as with cars this could be a 
safety and liability issue for the manufacturers.   If they make it 
unreasonably difficult, they have a problem.  something else for them to 
grapple with.  


Other than chartplotters, tablet based Apps are thin on the ground so far, 
partly because of the small market, partly the "closed shop" of the major 
players, and - somewhat related- partly because "open" wireless N2K is in its 
infancy, though this is changing.      The next few years will be interesting!  





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