Hi Bruno/Dave Yes #1, #2, #3 is not really meaningful to the sailmaker for design consideration but is very important for crew. The 33-2 is quite similar to our Frers 33. On the Frers 33 the conventional wisdom is 150, 140, blade. Persistence came with a nearly new #3 (smallish and capable of rolling), an old but serviceable 150 (UK Tape Drive) and a couple older furling and non furling 150. Accordingly our first sail purchase after discussions with other owners and sailmaker was a North heavy #1 (140% of LP). This is a mylar/pentex paneled sail. In winds 13-18 TWS this sail is fantastic. The 150 is too much sail in anything over 15 TWS and even when fully crewed we are overpowered when we have this up on those times when it sneaks up over 15 knots. Our second sail purchase was this year to replace our old UK Tape Drive 150. We went with a Doyle 155. I recall the sail cloth was called something like PXb which is I think tecnora and mylar and is also paneled. This sail will be very nice in the lighter winds but is much more powerful than the UK 150 so we will be using this as a light #1 and the North 140 as a heavy #1. Winds 15-20 knots TWS sustained and above we use our blade. I have marked the bags as #1 for the 155, #2 for the 140 and we call the blade #3. This is only to lessen the chance of the wrong headsail being brought on deck
When cruising we put the #3 (Quantum pentex with taffeta both sides) on the furler and sail a bit underpowered The #3 can be seen in this photo http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/DSC_1859-2.jpg The Heavy #1 (North 140) can be seen here http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/CanadaDayRace.jpg Over powered with the UK Tape Drive 150 here http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/close_hauled.jpg As stated earlier. The 33-2 is a very similar boat. I race on one occasionally but not yet enough to know the ideal sail configuration but feel it may be similar to the Frers 33 First Wednesday race of the season this evening. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 #16 Halifax http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Lachance via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bruno Lachance; syerd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice for 35 Dave, I suggest you get your sails measured by your local sailmaker. He will be glad to do it if you bring them for a preseason inspection. My sailmaker does not like to talk in term of no1-2-3 or %, he prefers to use the sail area measurements in square meters. This way you can really compare the horsepower of your sailplan and see what is missing to match the different wind conditions. This is really interesting in the design process of a new sail. Becassine wardrobe was composed of a triradial cruising laminate "large" no. 3 that equals 110% ( ok I admit I don't remember the m2...) the PO also had a light Mylar decksweeper no1 150%. Like you I wanted to have a no2 and asked for a 135%. My sailmaker suggested a sail area that would just cleared in front of the top spreaders going close upwind. His model showed that this would perform better than a slightly larger 135, as I would not be able to sheet it in as much clausehauled. The result was about 132%. I climbed the rig to double check every measurements to be sure he had the right ones. I have the Offshore spar mast on my boat This sail is really nice, but honestly I don't use it as much as I thought I would. When racing I often choose to go big with the tired 150% or with the 110 when it really blows. It seems I don't have much of the in between in my area. But when I do, I am first at the weather mark! You are right that the 33-2 is really responsive to sail trim. Very rewarding little boat. Bruno lachance Becassine, 1987 33-2 New Richmond, Qc Envoyé de mon iPad Le 2 mai 2017 à 21:10, Syerdave--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit : An interesting discussion, and agreed on that. I don't like sailing under headsail alone, but would rather balance the sailplan, play the main sheet in the puffs and tweak the Main's twist and shape with the baby stay, outhaul, traveller. vs many boats I've sailed the 33-2 is so responsive you can feel the impact of minor changes. Really looking forward to flying my new main this season. Keeping the helm light (balance) and the boat on its its feet (not overpowered) works best for me. First I reef, then I furl, but I really hate the Furler as a sail reduction device. According to the sailbags, I have a #1 and #3. There have been times I wished I had one in between, and it would probably be useful. Don't know how these equate in terms of % of foretriangle. Anyone know this for a 33-2? Several listers referred me to the "maximum sailpower" blog awhile back, and that was an eyeopener into many finer points of sail trim and design that I did not fully appreciate. Looking forward to some warmer weather here.... Dave 33-2 Windstar Toronto area. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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