Baby stay. Yes, a nuisance when we race both from the interference tacking
with a 155 genoa and playing with a whisker pole downwind - we race NFS. So
it is disconnected while sailing and the sole purpose is to inhibit pumping
at the dock , which can be quite pronounced and somewhat alarming when you
first see it happen.
Harold
Celtic Spirit 35-3 KB
Hamilton, ON
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:56:31 -0400
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
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I rarely used the baby stay on my 34 ? only when venturing out into the lake
(Erie) with waves over 3-4 feet. However, like insurance, you only need it
when you need it ? and then you really need it. It should be fixed
properly, whatever that entails.
From: G Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: G Collins
Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the adjustable
babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the beginning of
the season and then at some random time during the summer someone kicks the
clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't tensioned.
Would it be worth a survey? I'm curious how many owners actually have and
actively use the baby stay.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby
stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger question----is it necessary
on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not recently stayed
in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy' and absolutely
requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...", particularly if
your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat vintage were more
like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend fore and aft, baby stay
notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby stay and a relatively bendy
mast. The spreaders are not swept at all. Given that I have NO plans to ever
take her seriously off-shore and I sail/race in the protected waters of the
NC sounds and the PITA the baby stay is in tacking upwind and removing it
for flying the kite, my sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and
have never looked back. Now if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back
on board for the S
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to stabilize
mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for pleasure in
protected waters and have never missed it (but the attachment below and rod
as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board anyway!
FWIW
Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the v-berth
area. I don't have a track on mine.
If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's
left if there really is a wood stringer in there. Im not sure how much
glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may be.
I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's
in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
Thanks,
Kevin
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring,
and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it.
Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it, but
look around at what is possible since probably would be done this way today
on a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.
(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water
line in v berth.
2 cents
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Chuck, et al,
I don?t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about
assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay. At
least that is my take-away from your description of it being ?far in front
of the keel? means.
With the 37?, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a
plate that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging?) is attached to. The
rod descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads (perpendicular
to the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the central stringer.
The load is not carried forward but rather resides at the rear of the
traveler track.
Years ago I delivered a 34? from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston,
Jamaica. As I recall, it had the same setup that the 37? does.
Also, I?ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs
to this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin?s Overdue Refit
On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Fred,
I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in
front of the keel. I suspect the bolt should be attached to a stringer
also. http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
That's how it is on my 34R. On my boat they welded a stainless
stud to a stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer. A short
piece of rod carries the load from the track down to the hull stringer.
I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 06:43:42 -0400
From: Persuasion37 <persuasio...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Stus-List baby stay on 1982 34
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Ditto
Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault
On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:21 PM, G Collins via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I find the baby stay question an interesting one. We've got the
adjustable babystay, but don't race, so usually it gets tensioned at the
beginning of the season and then at some random time during the summer
someone kicks the clutch, and eventually I discover that it isn't
tensioned.
Would it be worth a survey? I'm curious how many owners actually have and
actively use the baby stay.
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2017-10-25 10:00 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
Before investing lots of time, effort and money in reattaching your baby
stay to whatever, give some thought to a larger question----is it
necessary on your boat? While I am not a naval architect and have not
recently stayed in a Holiday Inn Express :>), unless your mast is 'bendy'
and absolutely requires it you might be able to "...forgetaboutit ...",
particularly if your spreaders are not swept aft. Many masts of your boat
vintage were more like aluminum telephone poles which would never bend
fore and aft, baby stay notwithstanding. My 1995 36 XL came with a baby
stay and a relatively bendy mast. The spreaders are not swept at all.
Given that I have NO plans to ever take her seriously off-shore and I
sail/race in the protected waters of the NC sounds and the PITA the baby
stay is in tacking upwind and removing it for flying the kite, my
sailmaker recommend it's removal, which I did and have never looked back.
Now if I planned to go offshore, I would put it back on board for the
Of course your use and the design of your boat might make its use
mandatory but in my case, I am pretty sure it was added solely to
stabilize mast pumping fore and aft. I avoid such pumping by sailing for
pleasure in protected waters and have never missed it (but the
attachment below and rod as well as the rolled up stay are kept on board
anyway!
FWIW
Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
My baby stay comes down to a pad eye on the top of the cabin and is then
attached to a piece of rod rigging just in front of the head in the
v-berth area. I don't have a track on mine.
If there is any stainless bracket or welding, I can't see it. There is a
lot of fiberglass covering it all. I can't even tell by the hole that's
left if there really is a wood stringer in there. Im not sure how much
glass I would need to cut away to get to where any bracket or plate may
be.
I suppose I could cut some of it away and have a new plate and stud
welded together. Then lag bolt it to the stringer and cover with glass?
Makes me a little nervous though to go cutting away like that while it's
in the water. But I want to make sure it is strong enough whatever I do.
Thanks,
Kevin
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 6:42 PM Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Have you thought of using a padeye screwed to stringer, friction ring,
and dyneema? Would be a lot cheaper (and lighter) and you could DIY it.
Would serve same function just as well. Don't have time to get into it,
but look around at what is possible since probably would be done this
way today on a new boat. Cheaper, easier, better imo.
(my babystay attachment also runs parallel to bulkhead, perp to water
line in v berth.
2 cents
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM Dave Godwin via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Chuck, et al,
I don?t know if it is the same on your model but be careful about
assuming that the track tie-down follows the angle of the baby-stay.
At least that is my take-away from your description of it being ?far
in front of the keel? means.
With the 37?, on the aft end of the baby-stay track there is a plate
that the top of the tie-down (Navtec rod rigging?) is attached to. The
rod descends directly down parallel to the interior bulkheads
(perpendicular to the waterline) to the stud that was glassed into the
central stringer. The load is not carried forward but rather resides
at the rear of the traveler track.
Years ago I delivered a 34? from Ft. Lauderdale to Kingston, Jamaica.
As I recall, it had the same setup that the 37? does.
Also, I?ll reiterate, the bolt does not go through the hull. Repairs
to this can be easily be made while the boat is in the water.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin?s Overdue Refit
On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Fred,
I checked the drawings for the 34 and see the baby stay is far in
front of the keel. I suspect the bolt should be attached to a
stringer also. http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1794
That's how it is on my 34R. On my boat they welded a stainless stud
to a stainless bracket that is thru bolted to a stringer. A short
piece of rod carries the load from the track down to the hull
stringer.
I suggest you pull up the floor around the hole and look in there?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, M
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