Matthew,
OnJoel's email click on the link to Defender, there's a coupon code to
enter at checkout. I did and got the 39.99 price.
Hervey
1972 35 MK I
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Today's Topics:
1. Check stays for baby stay? (jacob fuerst)
2. Re: Nicro-Fico 599-600 traveller parts (Rod Stright)
3. 110 Owners Group (Stu)
4. Re: Check stays for baby stay? (Andrew Burton)
5. Re: Check stays for baby stay? (Chuck S)
6. Re: Check stays for baby stay? (Charles Nelson)
7. Re: PFD sale (Matthew L. Wolford)
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From: jacob fuerst <jjfue...@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 12:34:15 -0700
Subject: Stus-List Check stays for baby stay?
Furthering the baby stay thread, has anyone considered replacing the baby
stay with check stays? Still controls the mast pump, more versatile,
adjustable from the cockpit, and it gets the baby stay out of they way. I
could be way off base here. Thoughts?
Jacob Fuerst
303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669>
Ventura, CA
'78 C&C 36
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From: Rod Stright <strig...@eastlink.ca>
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:46:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Stus-List Nicro-Fico 599-600 traveller parts
And all of it has 10 year warranty
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I would consider replacing the whole thing with Garhauer. I am happy with a
boat full of that stuff.
Gary
30-1
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<cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street via
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Nicro-Fico 599-600 traveller parts
Back when I owned my 30mkI (hard to believe it’s over a dozen years ago…),
I replaced the whole traveller with Ronstan. It worked well.
— Fred
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tortuga via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
I have a Nicro-Fico X-Track traveller on my 1979 30 mk1. The adjustable
track stops are now virtually non-adjustable, because the spring-pin
mechanism has corroded. I have tried to order replacements from RigRite on
a number of occasions. They always seem to be back-ordered. I'm now
wondering if that is a euphemism.
Has anyone tried using Ronstan Series 22 parts with this traveller?
Thanks
Derek Kennedy
1979 C&C 30 mk1- Tortuga
Ballantyne's Cove, NS
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 16:26:12 -0400
Subject: Stus-List 110 Owners Group
I have just been informed that there is a fairly active Facebook Group for
110 C&C Yachts Owners.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/
Stu
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 16:27:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Check stays for baby stay?
The thing about the baby stay is that it induces bend aft--pulling the
center of the mast forward--which is good. Check stays will bend the center
of the mast aft, which is very bad. I could see having both, but if I was
to only have one--which I do--I would go for a baby stay.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM, jacob fuerst via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Furthering the baby stay thread, has anyone considered replacing the baby
> stay with check stays? Still controls the mast pump, more versatile,
> adjustable from the cockpit, and it gets the baby stay out of they way. I
> could be way off base here. Thoughts?
>
> Jacob Fuerst
> 303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669>
> Ventura, CA
> '78 C&C 36
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Stus-List Check stays for baby stay?
I'll bite since I have owned a 34R now for 15 years with runners and
checkstays. They are a PITA. So is a Baby Stay and that's why you won't
find them on modern designs. Baby Stays went out of vogue in the 80's with
most designers except C&C who kept them longer than anyone else. To be
honest, I bought my boat because it had runners and checkstays and I wanted
to learn all I could about making a sailboat go fast. I don't regret it.
Runners and Checkstays make a difference but I wouldn't add them to an
existing design. They complicate the mast with so many anchor points and
the deck too, requiring another set of winches or heavy duty purchases.
Research has shown me that the forces on the runner block and deck anchor
point are close to the breaking strength of the backstay. This requires
large expensive blocks and beefy anchor points on deck w heavy backing
plates to spread the loads properly.
Harken has some great spreadsheets on this but if memory serves, my "end of
boom" mainsheet load is around 600# max. I have a 5:1 course with a 20:1
fine tune. The halyards are 1500# max. The genoa sheet is about the
same1500 to 2000#. The #3 jib sheet in 40 knots of wind is 3000# plus.
While the runner is closer to 10000#.
BTW, the highest load for running gear for a typical sloop is the #3 jib
sheet in high winds. The highest load for a sailboat with a bowsprit will
be the bobstay, which is many times higher than the backstay. It's all
physics.
On November 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM jacob fuerst via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Furthering the baby stay thread, has anyone considered replacing the baby
stay with check stays? Still controls the mast pump, more versatile,
adjustable from the cockpit, and it gets the baby stay out of they way. I
could be way off base here. Thoughts?
Jacob Fuerst
303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669>
Ventura, CA
'78 C&C 36
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From: Charles Nelson <cenel...@aol.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 20:19:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Check stays for baby stay?
Great analysis of the forces on the various stays Chuck.
When I ordered my C&C I liked the idea of so many ways to adjust my mast
feeling it would be 'fast'. In practice not so much--getting a 155 around
the baby stay chewed up the sail and was slow--not to mention temporarily
removing the baby stay when going downwind with a kite.
Although my mast is 'bendy'--definitely not an aluminum telephone pole,
when my sailmaker(who in a former life crewed on an Americas Cup boat )
suggested that with spreaders that are perpendicular to the centerline (not
swept aft) I could remove it, I agreed and took it off. Since my mast
remains 'bendy', I did not remove the check stays which I rely on, with the
adjustable back stay, to stabilize the mast fore and aft against 'pumping'
in that plane.
I am not an expert, naval architect, etc. and I think Rob Ball designed
very fast boats, including the 37/40 and it's down-sized cousin, the 36
XR/XL/+ series of the early 90s.
However, I also think that the baby stay and check stays may have been kept
on the 36 XL (and maybe the 36+) as a marketing tool to entice novices like
myself to believe that with all those stays, the boat should be faster than
it's similarly sized racer/cruiser competitors of the time such as the
Sabre 36-2 and others.
In fact it probably is faster than those boats-- mine certainly is even
without the baby stay.
In any case, for the way and where I use my boat, any speed increase
provided by the baby stay, even with a main designed for using a baby stay,
is relatively marginal compared to the hassle of using it.
My that's my story and I'm sticking to it--FWIW!!
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36XL/kcb
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll bite since I have owned a 34R now for 15 years with runners and
checkstays. They are a PITA. So is a Baby Stay and that's why you won't
find them on modern designs. Baby Stays went out of vogue in the 80's with
most designers except C&C who kept them longer than anyone else. To be
honest, I bought my boat because it had runners and checkstays and I wanted
to learn all I could about making a sailboat go fast. I don't regret it.
>
> Runners and Checkstays make a difference but I wouldn't add them to an
existing design. They complicate the mast with so many anchor points and
the deck too, requiring another set of winches or heavy duty purchases.
Research has shown me that the forces on the runner block and deck anchor
point are close to the breaking strength of the backstay. This requires
large expensive blocks and beefy anchor points on deck w heavy backing
plates to spread the loads properly.
>
> Harken has some great spreadsheets on this but if memory serves, my "end
of boom" mainsheet load is around 600# max. I have a 5:1 course with a 20:1
fine tune. The halyards are 1500# max. The genoa sheet is about the
same1500 to 2000#. The #3 jib sheet in 40 knots of wind is 3000# plus.
While the runner is closer to 10000#.
>
> BTW, the highest load for running gear for a typical sloop is the #3 jib
sheet in high winds. The highest load for a sailboat with a bowsprit will
be the bobstay, which is many times higher than the backstay. It's all
physics.
>
>> On November 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM jacob fuerst via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Furthering the baby stay thread, has anyone considered replacing the
baby stay with check stays? Still controls the mast pump, more versatile,
adjustable from the cockpit, and it gets the baby stay out of they way. I
could be way off base here. Thoughts?
>>
>> Jacob Fuerst
>> 303-520-4669
>> Ventura, CA
>> '78 C&C 36
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
again. October will be our fund raising month. Please consider sending a
small contribution to help keep this list running. Use PayPal to send
contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
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From: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc:
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 00:53:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List PFD sale
I tried the link, which lists the price as you state. However, when I add
the PFDs to the cart, I get the $74.99 price.
*From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 01, 2017 10:08 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Stus-List PFD sale
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