To follow up on my earlier note, the Awlgrip product I used was Allwood MA 
J3890 Gloss, and the clear primer was J3809 (which adheres great to gel coat, 
by the way).  As I reported previously, I read about the Allwood product in the 
comments section of Practical Sailor.  As I recall, the writer was a sailor 
from Australia, who reported that he put five or six coats of the stuff on and 
it lasted 10 years.  Ten years sounded good to me, so I sanded off what was 
left of the old flaky varnish on my cockpit coaming (down to brown teak), 
prepped the surface and put on a coat of primer as per the instructions, and 
then put on five or six coats over a week or so. The work area was covered to 
prevent the sun from affecting the product (surface bubbling).  The finished 
product was beautiful (albeit a little slippery), and it looked great the 
entire summer.  Over the winter, however, the primer coat must have failed 
because little (pin-sized) air bubbles developed between the teak and the 
Allwood.  After all that work, I decided to live with the bubbles.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:43 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

Dave, 

You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him how 
many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.

I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
looks really good.

Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
to apply and repair.  

For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.

Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish. 

  It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
varnish.

  Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 

  As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year 
to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched 
the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much time 
as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him and I was 
noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice as a well 
done varnish job.

  And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
I’ll spray.

  Best, 
  Dave Godwin
  1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
  Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
  Ronin’s Overdue Refit


    On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

    So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?

    Thanks in advance.


    David F. Risch

    (401) 419-4650 (cell)





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    From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
    To: CnClist
    Cc: Dennis C.
    Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak 

    I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap. 

    On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

    I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

    Dennis C.
    Touche' 35-1 #83
    Mandeville, LA

    On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

      My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to 
refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was 
wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

      Brien Sadler
      S/V TAZ
      C&C 35-3

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