main last. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eric, > > We always jibe the mast last. Are we doing it wrong? > > Joel > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Jobs to do when dip jibing symmetrical chute/ Ideal setup. >> >> 1. Main trimmer (jibes main) >> 2. Foredeck (switches pole to new working guy) >> 3. Mast (raises and lowers pole on mast, lowers and raises the topping >> lift) >> 4. Chute trimmer >> 5. Guy trimmer (squares pole) >> 6. Helm >> 7. Pit (check stays) >> 8. Floater (tends misc. lines when trimmer and guy change sides) >> >> Sure people can do more than one job. And sometimes with inexperience >> crew you are better off that way (4-5 good crew are essential). But you >> won't be as fast and as precise short-handed as a crew who can execute. >> You wont be as fast as jibing an asym and you will avoid Jibing when it may >> be advantageous. >> >> In any weather, the helm should only be steering and someone should be >> tending the main. The results of divided attention during can be really >> bad. >> >> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Susan Kaseler <skis...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have been sitting on my hands about responding to this but I don’t >>> understand why you need 6 to 7 on board to fly a symmetrical shoot. This >>> number of crew is great for keeping the boat flat but I’ve never been so >>> lucky to attract that many crew. Maybe we needed better lunch and beer. SLY >>> is only a 33 footer and yours is 36 but when we raced competitively we >>> seldom had more than 3 on board and almost always flew the shoot. We “end >>> for end” jibe which might be more difficult on the 36 than the 33 and I >>> have little experience doing a dip pole jibe but I don’t believe it takes >>> more people. When the wind filled in we used “lazy guys” which provided a >>> great deal more control. In my opinion it’s nice to have a full compliment >>> of players when racing and flying the symmetrical shoot but not necessary. >>> When we were 3, we were careful to avoid the need for a jibe set. The >>> foredeck crew would set up the turtle, set the pole to its approximate >>> position with it clipped to the guy not the sail and then would move to the >>> halyard. The helmsman would do her magic and the third would control the >>> sheet and guy. Or the lazy guy if weather dictated. Not the ideal situation >>> but possible on SLY. For the jibe the helmsman steered straight downwind, >>> the foredeck guy removed the pole from the mast, clipped it to the lazy guy >>> or the sheet, held the pole perpendicular to the wind and waited for the >>> call from the helmsman to release the new sheet and fasten the new free end >>> of the pole to the mast. The third handled the sheet and guy to keep the >>> sail full as the helmsman headed up to the new course. There have been many >>> club Races were we were just two and still flew the shoot but I can’t >>> recommend that. My wife, the skipper, is not fond of steering with her >>> knees while handling the sheet and guy while I’m yelling at her to let a >>> couple of inches off the topping lift. >>> Not always easy but we made it happen and had a lot of fun doing it. >>> Dave. >>> 1975 C&C 33 >>> SLY >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Depends on the locality. >>> >>> E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one >>> cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to >>> discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare >>> a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall >>> and heavier wind. >>> >>> PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am >>> not sure for what conditions they allow it. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the >>>> pole? I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed >>>> races. >>>> >>>> >>>> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym >>>> on sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to >>>>> a standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard >>>>> pole/spin? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> Persistence >>>>> >>>>> Halifax >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >>>>> *Eric Baumes via CnC-List >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM >>>>> *To:* cnc-list >>>>> *Cc:* Eric Baumes >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C&C 36 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here >>>>> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here is the pertinent information on sizing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *PHRF Regulations* >>>>> >>>>> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without >>>>> penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 >>>>> second penalty. >>>>> >>>>> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm >>>>> Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised >>>>> of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was >>>>> mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck. >>>>> >>>>> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough >>>>> room. >>>>> >>>>> This is something you can DIY. >>>>> >>>>> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it >>>>> to avoid the freight charge. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know if you have any questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> 1993 34/36+ >>>>> >>>>> Hee Soo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List < >>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) >>>>> have me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to >>>>> be >>>>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had 6 for >>>>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and >>>>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to >>>>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if >>>>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the >>>>> option >>>>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite >>>>> so >>>>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. >>>>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated. >>>>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get >>>>> some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention >>>>> figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list >>>>> wisdom. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Charlie Nelson >>>>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>>> (Rob Ball design) >>>>> Water Phantom >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. >>>>> Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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