Hey
I find it amusing that everyone states ‘good boats are cheap and a dime a
dozen’ but the people trying to actually find a boat to buy are never able to
find those boats. The actual boat buying people state ‘all i see are crap
overpriced boats’. So the truth must be somewhere in the middle.
You are not going to find a 35 boat in excellent condition for $25k.
Barry. Sent from iPad
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1. C&C as offshore boat? (Shawn Wright)
2. Re: C&C 35-2 concerns (Matthew L. Wolford)
3. Re: Delivery Captain? (Danny Haughey)
4. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 35-2 concerns (Della Barba, Joe)
5. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 35-2 concerns (Shawn Wright)
6. Re: question (Robert Boyer)
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:21:05 -0700
From: Shawn Wright
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Subject: Stus-List C&C as offshore boat?
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I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C&C offshore, and if so,
which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C&C,
and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
about taking it offshore?
One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
take a beating without worrying about our safety.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:31:11 -0400
From: "Matthew L. Wolford"
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Other issues are fresh water v. salt water, regional economic conditions, how
far away you?re willing to look (with inspection/delivery complications), etc.
It sounds like you?re down to two issues, specifically the electrical system
and the complicated engine (although you know a lot about VWs). If I were in
your position (and I?m not), I would factor in the cost of greatly simplifying
or replacing the engine and upgrading the electrical system. At $22K, this
probably gets you to around $30K, with the added costs deferred until you can
get to them. To the extent you can (and are willing) to do the work yourself,
this reduces the increase. Sails can also be expensive for a 35 foot boat,
which should be a big consideration. If the ?actual? cost and aggravation is
worth it to you, buy the boat. If not, keep looking. There is no magic
bullet.
From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 concerns
Matthew,
Interestingly, this boat has had much of the work you describe done by the
previous owner - hull & deck painted, barrier coat, delamination fixed with
epoxy, new holding tank, retabbed bulkheads. The electrical panel is ugly and
original, and the engine install is very complex and messy, although
functional.
I would find it much easier to walk away if I hadn't been at this search for a
year already and seen how few good boats there are here for $25K. My backup
plan is to buy a nice $10K boat and keep looking for the right boat. It seems
crazy that there are plenty of really nice, clean 28-29' boats for $10K, but
once you get to 30', the price doubles. If I'm willing to consider a lesser
known boat, like a Crown 34 or San Juan 34 (same boat basically), there is one
of each in really nice shape for $24K. Although they are pretty decent boats, I
don't like the interior layout as much.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:59 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you?re willing to buy
an older one and have the patience to find a good one. I paid $25K for my 1978
34 in the 1990s. I ended up selling it about six years ago for $22K. In the
meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the bottom, replaced
most of the standing rigging, replaced all of the running rigging, replaced the
old fuse panel Blue Sea circuits, re-wired the 120V shore system, replaced the
old windows with opening Lewmars, re-tabbed the salon bulkheads, replaced the
holding tank and toilet, replaced all the sails for local club racing, etc. By
the time I was done, the boat was worth $40-50K. Nevertheless, the market for
a 1978 boat was less than the $25K I paid for it.
The bottom line is you need to find the right boat. Given all the
discussion, it sounds to me that Shawn has not.
From: Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:43 AM
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Cc: Neil E. Andersen
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 concerns
Jim,
I think your friend is overly pessimistic. We are not seeing that kind of
differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates (MD, VA,
SC, FL).
Neil
1982 C&C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall MD
Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker
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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 concerns
The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great
turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a friend
who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.
Jim
Galaxy 34
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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 concerns
Shawn, I agree with Bruce......
Let this one go....
If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "....
Don't spend them of stuff like this....
Ron
Impromptu
C&C 38 MKII
1977.
My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.....you don't want
to know how much time and money that takes.
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-2 concerns
Hi Shawn,
Realistically, I think you should walk away from that boat. There are just
too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what
they are doing in a marine environment. Consider finding the right boat, even
at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even if you have to
have it trucked to you. You'll end up spending the equivalent cost to move the
boat just getting this one in proper shape, and you'll avoid a lot of
heartburn.
When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and charging
system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be replaced, and
while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for years.
However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional upgrades
added 8 years earlier. Two years later, we have a great boat, but our project
list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down to 22 short
term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout). Yet, last weekend I
found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger had corroded
due to poor installation. That, in turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to
the house bank while I'm at it... And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm
getting a little tired seeing a list with some of the same items still staring
at me 24 months in.
There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to be
fully rewired. Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you think,
and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT gymnastics inside of tight
places!
Sorry to be the downer here, but you're asking for opinions...
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+"Astralis "
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:30:42 -0400
From: Danny Haughey
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Hi Edd,
I just reached out to the guy that Delivered our boat from Tom's River
NJ to Westport, MA. a few years ago.
Nice guy and very reasonable.? He's from Annapolis I believe.
I'll forward on his contact info if he gets back to me.
Danny
Rum Runner IV
Tartan 40
Mattapoisett, MA
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> City Island, NY to Venice, FL
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:35:08 +0000
From: "Della Barba, Joe"
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FYI
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html
No relation to this ad, but the boat sounds nice.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:43:19 -0700
From: Shawn Wright
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For comparison, this boat is near me, for $32,500 CAD, so $24K US. It is a
new listing, so I'll see how long it lasts. I find the galley on the Mk1
quite small (from the photos) which is one reason I haven't looked at it.
https://thunderbirdmarine.com/yacht-sales/35-cc-mk-i/
There is also a '74 Mk2 just south of me in Anacortes, WA for 27.5K US:
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/c-c-35-mk2-3510960/?refSource=standard%20listing
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> FYI
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> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html
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> No relation to this ad, but the boat sounds nice.
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> Joe
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> Coquina
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From: Robert Boyer
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I can speak from experience on my LF38. Your problem is most likely a
misalignment in the upper rudder bearing--the one mounted right below the helm
mounted with 4 bolts. The correction is probably best performed out of the
water. Simply loosen the four bolts & move the bearing until the steering
frees up then tighten the mounting bolts.
If this is not the problem I would add grease to the grease cup on the rudder
shaft.
Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: [email protected]
Annapolis, MD
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Camille Cloutier via CnC-List wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question
> concerning our C&C boat Landfall 38. We live in Qu?bec and we are french
> speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :)
>
> We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C&C we have
> tried. We have replace all the wires so we are sure that the problem doesn't
> come from the pedestal. In the instruction manual, they talk about a grease
> cup which we don't have. We don't have teflon washer around the rudder shaft
> in the water either.
>
> Does anyone have informations about how the whole rudder system is put
> together so we can recondition it to have a smooth and easy steering wheel?
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Camille
>
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