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From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Joel Delamirande via CnC-List Sent: July-22-20 7:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Delamirande <joel.delamira...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat Is 99 mean 99 feet boat On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:17 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I think Hull #1 had been modified to do that at some point. The regular C&C 99 comes with symmetric 200% spinnaker and J+1 pole. A number have since been modified to add a small fixed sprit which has total sprit length no longer than Spinnaker pole length. The four racing here (Halifax) do not use the sprit/asym a lot. The 99 is a very nice boat Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: July 21, 2020 2:13 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com <mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing with a spin thru the lee of a bigger boat Hi Chuck- I looked at a C&C 99 when I was buying my boat and it had an integral extending pole for an A sail. I presumed that was standard on the 99, but the one in your video doesn’t have one. Did some have them or was the one I looked at modified? Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd <https://www.google.com/maps/search/91+N.+Eagleville+Rd?entry=gmail&source=g> . U-3125 Storrs, CT 06269-3125 On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi Don, I wasn't there, but a crewman aboard the 99 told me the owner has a long rivalry with the J-109 which was flying an assymetric on a sprit, also. He told me the 99 is for sale because the owner bought a J-109 cause it's faster upwind and points higher. I find the video quite exciting with so many different boats so close together. The essence of racing. Chuck On 07/21/2020 12:27 PM Donald Kern via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Chuck, Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller boat thru the lee of a bigger boat. Especially dead downwind with a A-chute and the bigger has a symmetric chute. Unless the A-chute was in restricted water or closing the mark they should have been maxing their VMG by tacking downwind. Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the wood and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster; had no engines, less weight and drag. Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine Museum sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed this year of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19). Beat Army !! Don Kern Fireball C&C35 Mk2 Bristol, RI On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote: I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat. If you sail in a steady high winds, go big. But if you are more like the rest of us and have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest, lightest model C&C that still has just enough interior to accommodate my family. Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind builds from a calm while heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up over 10 knots. It takes much less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a 20,000# one. Even less to move a 5000# boat like a 27 footer which has standing headroom and can be trailered home for the winter. They will all sail to hullspeed once the wind reaches about 12 knots and then the longer waterline boat has a speed advantage, but under 10 knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the lighter boats win and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc. Check out this video of a C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers in a race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee berths (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full width aft berth and two pipe berths. We rate faster than the 40 and the bigger sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the 34/36 was an improvement over it. Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com <http://cncphotoalbum.com> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Welcome Jeff, Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also get more complicated to sail - does it have running backstays? I think that a 38 such as Ocean Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40. My 34 does not. Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or go sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too. If offshore passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better choice and you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and a C&C may not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are those on this list who would differ). Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB and it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we don't have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at some point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate shower from the head I believe. While that would have been more money up front, but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it would not have made a big difference in the long run. My boat budget ends up around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage and insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades. The first year we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt for $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year we got new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable life jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new furler and I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the entire deck and included replacing winches with self tailers and added a custom bow roller I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a new anchor and rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40! Can you do it for a bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to improve things and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for the furler that breaks and isn't repairable type expenses. Slip and such are probably a bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all adds up. Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that. Initially this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market, but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat" ownership. I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a lot of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still be plenty to do and change over the years). On the other hand, I am learning a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and don't like and I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I had proposed a larger budget to my wife initially. And there is also satisfaction in bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard. Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck! Nathan - - Nathan Post S/V Wisper 1981 C&C 34 KCB Lynn MA _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray _______________________________________________ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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