A friend of mine owns a 41 two slips down from me. We went out sailing at the
same time a couple weeks ago, and he walked right by (to leeward). My 42
Custom is rated 84 (with R/F), and I believe the 41 is rated about 10 seconds
faster. He was easily sailing that much faster with very little effort.
Beautiful boat.
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Thanks Glenn, the short cockpit seats/big wheel are one of the compromises on
my 33 as well. I had seen seat-fillers on other boats, along with the
traveller relocation, though I do like traveller and especially mainsheet
access from the helm Need to work those things out. Am glad to hear that
the much-maligned IOR influence doesn’t seem to make the boat any less
enjoyable than it does with my 33-2. I agree completely on windward ability –
here in the Toronto area we spend much of our time sailing to windward in
light air, and I would be really frustrated with a boat that didn’t perform
well in those conditions. Reinforces the point about buying the right boat
for the conditions. I am unlikely to be roaring downwind in huge seas under
full spin any time soon, nor will I be rounding the horn in this boat.
It appears (circumstantially) that the ’81-84 boats were customs or semi
customs, typically racing biased. This aligns with the perception of the
production boat (most evident post-’84) as a racing-oriented but cruisable
model defined by the constraints of IOR in its twilight. Seems as though the
custom was somewhat repurposed to a production model under a new leader – the
Wikipedia comment cited below. This further jives with the my understanding
of the evolution of the IOR -that dual purpose boats were not as competitive
as in the past, and that the racer/cruiser niche was less relevant under this
rule. The 8’ draft of many examples does not suggest cruising as a priority
but the existence of the CB model and the relatively posh cabin of the
production model speak to C&C remaining centred in this racer/cruiser niche.
It interesting to read all of this in the context of the marketplace at the
time. Long and the short of this appears to be that its a good fun boat
depending on how one intends to use it.
Going to see the boat tomorrow.
Biggest concern I can see is ease of shorthanded/singlehanded sailing – this
was probably not in scope for the design. My baseline is a 33-2, which is
manageable, due to its handy size. Second concern is to buy at the right
price - resale appeal is not as broad as it could be.
Glenn – do you single-hand the 41, and do you (or anyone else) have any wisdom
you could share on this?
Thanks as always, Dave
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Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 41 thoughts?
I have a 1984 41 and I love it. The hull is not a tortured IOR shape. It is
fairly clean. She moves through the water very cleanly. She sails well in light
or heavy air. She is perfectly balanced. She will sail upwind with the wheel
brake on and sail like on an auto pilot. The Dollar/Boatspeed ratio is very
high. I love the interior. Granted, she doesn't have as much room as a modern
41 foot boat but it is well laid out and proportioned well. I love the Nav
Station/Office. I put plywood "fillers" in the cockpit to extend the seating
for cruising. I wouldn't cruise without them. I cannot cruise long distances in
a slow boat or one that cannot go upwind.The 41 suits my purposes just fine.
Glenn Henderson
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Dave
I own a C&C 41 CB hull # 93, Der Baron. Bought her new in 1986, and have
cruised/raced her ever since. We have enjoyed every minute aboard.
Many trophies, and many fine memories. My crew and I , mostly very senior
citizens, are not able to sail very much, so, I am considering the possibility
of putting her up for sale.
If you have any specific questions about C&C 41s, I can answer most of them.
They are great boats, easily sailed, and sail to the PHRF Rating here on the
Chesapeake.
Feel free to call me, 443-994-5669, and We can talk about C&C 41s. I'm a
dedicated C&Cer, Having previously owned a C&C 30 for 12 years prior to
purchasing the 41.
Never had a Keel/ mast step issue on the 41 . I did experience it on the 30.
My boat is essentially like the standard brochure:
Tall 3 spreader rig
Yanmar 3GM35 HF
Forward facing Nav Station
aft quarter berth
Full spinnaker Gear with winch upgrades.
Yes, windows have been a problem, and I have had them replaced. You need to pay
attention to them.
I've up graded the track hardware, traveller hardware, the spinnaker pole
(carbon fiber), the electronics, etc.
The rig has been unstepped, inspected, stripped, and repainted with Awl-Grip.
The hatches have been stripped, and powder coated prior to replacing the
acrylic lenses
Don Wagner
C&C 41 CB Der Baron
West River, MD
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Good evening all.
Am looking to stretch out a bit, and much as I’ve enjoyed and invested in my
’85 33-2 Windstar, I’m exploring larger options. Goal is shorthanded or
singlehanded daysailing and local cruising on the great lakes and possibly
Bahamas/Caribbean. I’ll likely upgrade to a more substantial passagemaker when
I retire in 5 years or so.
A centreboard C&C 41 has piqued my interest of late, and if anyone can shed
some light on the evolution of the model and offer some informed commentary or
critique, I would greatly appreciate it.
I cannot find any reference to how many 41s were made, and I have not seen any
for sale that were made prior to ’84, though apparently it was first produced
in ’81.
They were available with a variety of keels, mostly 7’ or more.
Photos of the earliest 41’s especially are very familiar to me, clearly they
are big sisters to the 33-2 and 35-3, sharing many features, hardware and
materials.
I am aware too that the 41 also shares a few of the 33-2/35-3 “gotchas” –
leaking windows and keel sump/mast step failures. Is the keel sump/mast step
problem limited to fin-keeled boats, or is this also a problem with centreboard
boats?
Some seem to have had the handy but butt-cracking bridge deck traveller (like
the 33-2) filled with teak and relocated. Brochures show the traveller at the
wheel and also on the cabin top. Was traveller location an option, or have
many owners relocated this in the interest of comfort? Thoughts?
Some have forward-facing nav stations, with the typical smaller boat open
quarter berth, some (seemingly later models) with the bigger-boat rear-facing
nav station and an “aft cabin” (more like an enclosed quarter berth)
Some have with an opening tailgate through the transom, some not.
The galley cabinetry appears to have varied also.
And finally – a google search will turn up a fair bit of criticism of the
model, this surprised me. Much of it is the usual opinion-fuelled opinion
(repeated ad nauseam), and some the usual sweeping generalizations regarding
IOR boats. (I don’t plan to fly a spinnaker downwind in huge seas....)
Wikipedia curiously states: “Designed by Robert Ball at the request of C&C’s
new owner Robert plaxton, who wanted [an IOR design]”
Many commentators also suggest that the 41 is particularly racing-biased, and
therefore makes a less than ideal choice for single or shorthanded sailing.
The brochure suggests the 41 was a production development of a custom racing
model.
I will likely visit the boat this week, and can certainly form my own opinion
much of this, but would very much welcome any thoughts. Many thanks in
advance!
Dave - 33-2 (for now).
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