Does all of this mean that a CO annual parks pass doesn't cover access to Prewitt etc? And that I now need to carry my fishing license, which resides in my fishing vest so that I always have it handy when stopped on the river , now has to be ever present on my person? Passport required as well?
John Maynard On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Joe Roller <[email protected]> wrote: > A WORD TO THE WISE: > > Just to supplement Norm Lewis's excellent post, IF you are exempt from being > required to carry a valid fishing or hunting license > OR > carry a valid Access Pass BECAUSE OF YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, MATURITY, > SAGACITY AND WISDOM (in other words, old age) > > then YOU MUST BE ABLE TO PROVE YOUR AGE BY CARRYING A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE, > PASSPORT, OR OTHER PROOF OF AGE, > WITH YOU, ON YOUR PERSON, IN YOUR WALLET, PURSE OR BACKPACK OR OTHERWISE > HANDY. DO NOT FORGET IT. THE FINE IS STEEP. > > I cannot tell you how many times I have needed to trudge back to my vehicle, > retrieve my Colorado Driver's License with PROOF OF MY AGE, > and display it to the well-meaning arresting office, all because said officer > was INCREDULOUS that I was 65 or older based on my appearance alone. > > > Joe Roller, > Denver > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Norm Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good afternoon! I have a serious interest in this issue, since I lead >> monthly birding outings for the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. This >> month's trip is to, of course, Prewitt. After reading Steve's post, I >> realized that this would be a great opportunity to have another of my famous >> run-ins with the authorities (see, Julesburg Elementary School), so I rang >> up the Division of Parks, Wildlife, Birder Harrassment and General >> Bureaucratic Annoyance (the DPWBHGBA if you're looking it up) to see if I >> could get an answer. I got one, and here it is: >> >> If this looks familiar, it is the same policy that is in place for Jumbo and >> Red Lion. >> >> If you are between the ages of 19-64, you need an Access Pass to so much as >> set foot on the property. The pass is $36. If you have a CO hunting or >> fishing license, that will suffice. If you're a geezer (guilty as charged), >> you're exempt. >> >> As Steve mentioned, this policy is confusing and unfair, but it is what it >> is. As to the underlying reason- I spoke to a wildlife officer a few years >> back about the -then- new policy at Jumbo. He explained that there was a >> developing problem at Jumbo with partiers and carousers who were making >> disturbances and trashing the place, especially at night. His explanation >> was that the permit was a way to give officers an enforceable method for >> dealing with the problem. Sounds reasonable, to a point. I have never >> heard that this has been a problem at Prewitt, but ........ >> >> So, if you are a youngster and you are birding Prewitt without a permit, you >> are at risk for a ticket. >> >> Norm >> Norm Lewis >> Lakewood, CO >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steven Mlodinow <[email protected]> >> To: cobirds <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 4:57 pm >> Subject: [cobirds] CO DOW >> >> Greetings All, >> >> No, this has naught to do with dowitchers. >> >> I find the behavior of the DOW enforcement agents in this state baffling. >> I've had more run-ins (all at Banner Lakes SWA and St Vrain SP) with state >> wildlife enforcement agents than in 20 years in WA (where the number was a >> lovely zero, though the number of locations roughly equal). >> >> The Banner Lakes guy didn't like where I parked, even though it was not on >> SWA area land and totally legal. He threatened to have my car towed and fine >> me even though he had no jurisdiction to do so. I don't argue with folks >> carrying guns and yelling at me, so I hiked the two miles back to my car and >> left. >> >> The most recent St Vrain incident on Co Rd 7 occurred a month ago when the >> officer claimed that a clearly unused Osprey nest built along WCR 7 still >> required a 1000 m clearance, even though it was unoccupied because it "might >> be used." In mid-July. Really. >> >> This Prewitt thing is odd. I've talked to rangers there a dozen or so times >> over the 3 last years, usually chit-chatting about what birds I was seeing. >> No one mentioned a permit. Now they are ticketing folks. I wonder, has >> anyone in COBIRDS land received a warning during the last 3 years? My guess >> the answer is zero, or close to it. None of us regulars out there have >> received such that I know of. >> >> And I could not find, in 20 frustrated minutes, anything about a special >> permit about Prewitt or that any permit was needed simply to enter Prewitt. >> Maybe there is a sign at Prewitt that says such, but their website says >> naught (as far as I can tell) about a Prewitt/Jumbo permit. >> >> This erratic behavior just confounds and irritates me. Signs at Andrick >> Ponds SWA outright contradict themselves and their website. I've encountered >> this at other locations. Most of the officers I've bumped into (like at >> Prewitt in past, and at Andrick recently) have been exceptionally nice, but >> then you get this weird aggressive angry behavior. >> >> I truly wonder what the underlying cause is. >> >> Best Wishes >> Steve Mlodinow >> Back in Longmont >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/8D06FFD985841CE-1F4C-E327%40webmail-d143.sysops.aol.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/8D070A9727EFFA8-DBC-1639E%40webmail-vm012.sysops.aol.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Colorado Birds" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAJpZcUB9vnahMXWCV844fQi0boHDFGG0hvD0KBA9nB1%3Dn9p-OQ%40mail.gmail.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Colorado Birds" group. 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