Who was it that quipped on co-birds a few years back when noting hawk variability, "It's a Red-tail until proven otherwise"?
Pam Piombino On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:53 AM Diana Beatty <[email protected]> wrote: > I just came across the Ferruginous Rough-leg nomenclature this past > weekend - I just got a copy of Charles Aiken's Birds of El Paso County from > 1911 and it was there - I should share more from it sometime - lots of name > changes and species divisions and lumps that are different from now. > > Diana Beatty > El Paso County > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:15 AM Joe Roller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Great discussion. >> In the distant past, the name for Ferruginous Hawk was >> "Ferruginous Rough-leg", because of its feathered tarsi, >> a feature it shares with the "regular" Rough-legged Hawk. >> I still call them "Ferruginous Rough-legs" to remind me >> to look at the tarsi. >> Or maybe because I seem stuck in the past - >> Marsh Hawk, anyone? >> >> Joe Roller, Denver >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave Hyde <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you all for your suggestions. I accept the pale Red-tail, possible >>> Krider’s hawk (even though looking at the photo I thought there’s no way >>> this can be a Red-tail: white head, white rump, barred tail!). But there is >>> more to the story of this pale red-tail. I was looking out the kitchen >>> window and the bird flew * up* from below the window, which is when I >>> saw its tail. I got to thinking, what would any large hawk be doing on the >>> ground outside my window? So I went and looked on the ground there for any >>> signs of avian mayhem. And I found … a complete wing of a Yellow-rumped >>> warbler! There were no excess feathers or body anywhere although I later >>> found the other wing, also intact. Whatever had got this warbler – and it >>> may not have been this hawk as the wing feathers were only slightly supple >>> as if the bird had died yesterday or early in the morning – had clipped off >>> its wings and carried off the body! In fact, I had the impression that the >>> pale hawk had something in its grasp as it landed atop the tree because it >>> looked down at its feet when it alit. I dunno, this was certainly a strange >>> hawk encounter. Here’s a photo of one of the warbler wings, and thank you >>> all again for your advice – Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf >>> of Joe Kipper <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:24:22 PM >>> *To:* Colorado Birds <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] Hawk i.d. Storm Mountain, Larimer Cty >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, this is a definite juvenile Red-tailed. When I see birds like this >>> in the field I don't really take note of the field marks like a should I >>> just say "this is a Red-tailed because of the GISS," but this is a good >>> opportunity to note the field marks since Osprey and Ferruginous Hawk were >>> suggested. This bird is paler individual so it doesn't have the "helmeted" >>> appearance that most adults and some very dark juveniles have. The "three >>> points of white" field mark is a field mark that is useful when looking at >>> the dorsal side of soaring buteos. Because this bird is perched, you can't >>> even see the "wrists" mentioned by Caleb that would be white on a Ferrug. >>> White speckling on the scapulars is another field mark of RTHA. Adult >>> Ferrug would have orangish back with steel-blue primaries and juvenile >>> Ferrug would have a uniform brown back. Unfeathered legs are also a huge >>> field mark, thank you Todd D. >>> >>> Good Birding everyone! In a few months we will have plenty of >>> opportunities to study the many buteos that winter here and their endless >>> myriad of unique color morphs and plumages. >>> >>> Joe Kipper, >>> >>> Fort Collins >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 4:55:15 PM UTC-6 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>> Juvenile Red-tailed Hawk, check out light western juv. in Sibley. Bands >>> on tail from Dave's description. Also, no feathered legs that Ferrug would >>> show. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:42 PM Dave Hyde <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> HI CObirders,, >>> >>> At 1.25pm today as I looked out my kitchen window I saw >>> a large hawk fly upwards and over the house. All I saw was a spread tail >>> with many fine bands. I grabbed my binoculars and camera and went to the >>> front of the house to see the hawk land atop a pine tree. I spotted it and >>> thought, ‘that looks like an Osprey! Better take a picture.’ So I did and >>> got 3 photos before the bird flew away. As it went it looked like it had a >>> white rump. This is the best photo I got. Can anyone please tell me what >>> hawk this is? – Dave Hyde/nr Storm Moutain, Larimer Cty. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR06MB244017115B23E277736587CAF5200%40CY4PR06MB2440.namprd06.prod.outlook.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR06MB244017115B23E277736587CAF5200%40CY4PR06MB2440.namprd06.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Todd Deininger >>> Longmont, CO >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/82d2b5e9-51fc-4285-b62c-184adcda318dn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/82d2b5e9-51fc-4285-b62c-184adcda318dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Colorado Birds" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR06MB2440EB04CA8D64F4FDC25B0BF5210%40CY4PR06MB2440.namprd06.prod.outlook.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CY4PR06MB2440EB04CA8D64F4FDC25B0BF5210%40CY4PR06MB2440.namprd06.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Colorado Birds" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAJpZcUDffBq7-qdJR%2BKAjzQjGTeB2TEoaN4ThxRPKtUWYvN8mA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAJpZcUDffBq7-qdJR%2BKAjzQjGTeB2TEoaN4ThxRPKtUWYvN8mA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > > ****** > > All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the > old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Colorado Birds" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAM-_j9v1jU8brHaF03hT4%2B%3D5U03nJed5%2Bh1v_gQdAWV7cj3y1w%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAM-_j9v1jU8brHaF03hT4%2B%3D5U03nJed5%2Bh1v_gQdAWV7cj3y1w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Colorado Birds" group. 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