Re: [important proposal] Cocoon as official Apache project

[Stefano Mazzocchi]

Sylvain Wallez wrote:

I like this idea, as we need, as shown by cocoondev.org, to host some
live Cocoon apps. But we *must* also use the common infrastructure
provided by daedalus and icarus when it makes sense : static website,
distros, mailing lists and cvs (IMHO including the ones of
cocoondev.org).

Absolutely. It would be plain silly to redo something that already works great (CVS/mail/static web are just great and managed very well, IMO).

What we lack is the ability to host our own web applications and this is what we want to fix.

This ensures we won't be tempted by a "Cocoon software
foundation" (even if I'm sure Stefano will take great care to avoid
this), save bandwidth, CPU and administration costs for people/entities offering resource for live applications.

Oh, you can bet your ass here :)

Proxypassing will also allow to have _several_ machines behind
cocoon.apache.org. This can provide simple load partitioning and allow
different members of the community to offer CPU and bandwidth (nothing
sure for now, but I'd like my company to offer some).

Yep. Also, as Steven and I discussed on the phone, most of the bandwidth is used by distributions and Pier told me that infrastructure@ is building a pretty nice rsync-based mirroring system.

So it makes perfect sense to use the ASF machinery when it works and just *patch* what we need.

However, I wonder if proxypassing from San Diego (IIRC this is where
icarus and daedalus are) to Ghent or another european location is
technically ok?

Don't use geographical topology as a metric. Steven, what is the network topology between the ASF machines and the one we would be using?

 Don't you fear about tcp packets making a trip around
the earth when you send a request through cocoon.apache.org to the
machine that's in the room next door ?

Here in Italy is many times faster to download from cupertino than it is from germany :) Like I said, it's a matter of pipes, bandwidth and hosts, and this has nothing to do with geographical location.

Anyway, I think it would be a great challenge for us to run that system. It would really show off the power of Cocoon and dissipate some of those 'it doesn't handle load' myths that I've heard flying around :)

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