Our load tests where done on a single server.
IRL there are 2 servers behind a load balancer, but serving 2 sites
together (http://www.scoot.nl is the other one, with comparable load).

Don't know the actual load ATM, since I don't work for that firm
anymore...

tomK



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lewis, Andrew J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: woensdag 2 januari 2002 16:56
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Cocoon scalability continued
> 
> 
> My performance target is 250 requests/second. I can spread 
> that out over multiple servers though.
> 
> > ----------
> > From:       Tom Klaasen (TeleRelay)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:       Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:53 AM
> > To:         [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:    RE: Cocoon scalability continued
> > 
> > http://www.scoot.be is C2-powered and is tested under quite 
> some load
> > (100 requests/sec, IIRC) and has also quite some load IRL. No XSP's,
> > indeed, but also no caching (MRUMemoryStore seemed to be leaking in
> > those days. Maybe this has improved in the mean time).
> > 
> > Unless your going to develop an even bigger app, I'd dare 
> to say: go for
> > it.
> > 
> > Success,
> > tomK
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lewis, Andrew J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > > Sent: woensdag 2 januari 2002 16:46
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: Cocoon scalability continued
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am getting ready to recommend Cocoon for a very large 
> > > project where it will need to handle immense load. In 
> > > reality, XSP is more than I need and I don't expect to be 
> > > using it. From what I have read, most of the scalability 
> > > problems seem to be XSP related - can anyone confrim or 
> > > reject that thought for me? 
> > > 
> > > > ----------
> > > > From:   Michael Homeijer[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Reply To:       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent:   Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:03 AM
> > > > To:     '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > > Subject:        Cocoon scalability continued
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > This mail is a follow-up to the following mails:
> > > > 
> > > > (Cocoon 2 RC2 performance disappointment).
> > > > 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org/msg06455.html
> > > > 
> > > > and
> > > > 
> > > > (Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment)
> > > > 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org/msg06751.html
> > > > 
> > > > In the last weeks we observed that Cocoon performance and 
> > > scalability are
> > > > greatly influenced by a number of factors, to name a few:
> > > > - Complexity of pipelines (slows down pipeline composition)
> > > >   > Stefano mentioned to me that entire pipelines can 
> be pooled. 
> > > >   > Can anybody give me some directions on how to 
> accomplish this?
> > > > 
> > > > - Size of the documents going through the pipeline (slows 
> > > down translations)
> > > > - Size of the documents that will be cached (caching 
> > > appears to be very time
> > > > consuming)
> > > > - Number of templates in the XSL translation (xsl tuning is 
> > > very difficult)
> > > > 
> > > > To tune our C2 based site we tried three ways of 
> > > implementing our website,
> > > > all with different approaches. The approach we thought 
> > > should be the one
> > > > with the best performance/scalability turned out worse 
> than the C1
> > > > implementation (performance of the three range from several 
> > > times slower
> > > > than the C1 implementation to 10% faster).
> > > > 
> > > > Luckily, with the new component approach it was just a few 
> > > days work (mainly
> > > > changing places of caching and XSL translations) to get a better
> > > > performance(10% on the C1 approach, and we think we can get 
> > > further now we
> > > > know which strings to pull. Furthermore we didn't try the 
> > > generator based
> > > > approach yet instead of XSP).
> > > > 
> > > > But then again, I don't think every project will get 
> this far... 
> > > > 
> > > > and I think that new versions of Cocoon will show a 
> very different
> > > > performance/scalability profile (once the new cache,
> > > > sitemap approach or new Xalan versions are released), this 
> > > could also be
> > > > dangerous without some sort of performance prediction model.
> > > > 
> > > > In the weeks we tried to tune our C2 based site, we went 
> > > from designing and
> > > > implementing to a more trial and error approach in 
> configuring the
> > > > pipelines. Because of the unpredictable results (because of 
> > > complexity or
> > > > lack of experience on our side?) and the pressure from our > 
> > > customer the team
> > > > spirit went down. Furthermore it's hard to derive best 
> > > practices or some
> > > > golden rule from our work.
> > > > 
> > > > Because of this I think it is not enough to have a cache 
> > > that tunes itself
> > > > or a profiler. It will help but only once your site is up 
> > > and running.
> > > > Because of the many ways of implementing a C2 site, I think 
> > > there should be
> > > > some kind of prediction model that shows how to structure 
> > > functionality in
> > > > C2.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't have a clear idea on what this should look like, 
> > > but maybe someone
> > > > can comment on our experiences.
> > > > 
> > > > TIA,
> > > > Michael Homeijer.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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