Robert Koberg wrote: > > Hello, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Christoph Henrici wrote: > > > > > > I have been studying, testing and playing around with cocoon in the > > > last few days as a newcomer : i am greatly impressed with what ease with > > > cocoon "pipelines" arbrary data sources can be "chained" to a result > > > target: a very powerful paradigm (pipe) applied in a powerful context > > > (http) by using great technology (xml, xlst). > > > > Yep, I think you really hit the point. Some people believe that it's > > enough to add server side transformation capabilities (say, adding a > > XSLT post-processor as a servlet filter!) to come up with a publishing > > framework. > > I guess I am one of those :) But I guess you are talking about much broader > publishing needs. It is all relative.
Oh, yes. I was not referring to ad-hoc solutions but to who wants to take a publishing system (say Turbine), add an XML transformation language on top (say DVSL*) and voila': who needs Cocoon? (*) http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/dvsl/index.html > I have not used cocoon2 yet. I had very bad experiences adopting cocoon1 > (right when it came out -- MacMillan's idiotsguides.com - god, I wish I > could take that one back :( for many things besides cocoon's PIs - my first > "real" web-site...). When I understand what I needed (too late) I realized > that cocoon was the furthest thing. I am hoping to gather this info about > cocoon2 from you guys (and maybe throw my 2cents in every now and then :). > It sounds like you have a fantastic product. I would have installed it to > play around with but all the other things you need... Then again, all the > buzz makes it very interesting. I've talked with many people that were scared away by Cocoon1. No excuse there: it was a first try and a pretty home-made one. But considering that the XML model is not yet finished, the XML spec is 4 years old and Cocoon is 3 years old, I think that we did have a good excuse to try things out. Cocoon2 is an industrial-quality product, both in design and implementation. Ignoring for past experiences is not only blind, is plain stupid. At the same time, Cocoon1 is *still* used in heavy loaded production sites and makes me think that if such a limited architecture could reach that point, what will we do with Cocoon2? I'm so excited to see this :) > I wonder if cocoon is bloatware, at least for my needs. Cocoon includes many things and, granted, more that you need. It's more or less like PHP but with more modern design concepts (not that PHP is not modern, it's very cool indeed!, but lacks the concept of SoC right into the HTML+script design concept!). And for sure it's big: it is reaching the point where we have more java code in Cocoon than in the entire JDK! and that sums up to hundreds of thousands of lines of code!!! and written in a few years! Apache has more productivity of good quality java code than Sun itself! And if that was not enough, the community is one of the most active and, even better, it seems to be magnetically attracting other efforts as well (FOP, Batik, XIndice, POI, DELI) and triggering lots of cross-pollination in beween the ASF efforts (avalon, xalan, gump, forrest). > When working with a > small team (say 5-10 people spread out all over the world, well, US and > England) servlets and xslt/xml seem to do everything I need. Hey, if that works for you, great. But the fact that you stick around here seems to suggest that you find our input useful. So, I would suggest not to discard the software that was distilled after that input :) > They work on > it dynamicially and then generate it as a static site whenever they want. > And I would bet there are few people who can create a large content-based > site faster. Never say never. > My sites (large publishing companies) are perhaps well-suited > to this though and other sites are perhaps better suited to cocoon. > > Why scoff something that works? > Why is it a bad thing? Never said that. My only point is: how do you know if your stuff is any better than cocoon2 since you didn't even try it? -- Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
