On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Donald Ball wrote: > hey guys, long time no see. congratulations on getting a production c2 > release out the door. i'm impressed with its quality and speed, and sorry > i've not been able to participate for a while now. my day job got > refocused away from doing web sites and onto doing webapps a while back, > and while we were initially interested in using c2 as the infrastructure > for our webapps, it wasn't really appropriate for what we were doing. so a > short absence got drawn out into a much longer one; i should have big > adieu at some point but never got around to it :(
Hi, Donald, glad to see you are back well :) > anyway, we recently picked up a consulting gig for some folks wanting to > use c2 to build a web site, so i get to play with you guys again. hooray! > i've been skimming the lists for the past little bit here and am excited > by the new developments i see, particularly in regards to the interpreted > sitemap. using xslt to generate java code can be a useful technique, but > it's not always the best choice, mainly due to the difficulty in debugging > and the resource hungriness of javac. > > and on a [RT] type note, after having to hand-code the mapping from urls > to methods and resources for our webapp and seeing what an unwieldy mess > that resulted in, i decided that there really may be a need for some > middle ground between doing it by hand and using c2 in all its glory. c2 > can really be overkill as a webapp infrastructure - when the triad of > content, design, and logic is skewed towards the latter two, when there's > no need for document authors to be able to easily add resources > autonomously. Yeah... setting up a reasonable webapp infrastructure is still quite hard with Cocoon. > so i ended up writing a simple webapp, called urlspace right now for lack > of a better name, that could charitably be considered c2-lite. :). it > operates on a sitemap that associates urls with descriptions and > resources, where a resource can be method, xml+xslt, a method+xslt, or a > plain old file. no caching, nothing fancy - the goal is to keep it as > simple as possible so that it's easy to pick up and use, and easy for > developers to understand so that they can comfortably use it without > worrying about having to support it. one nice thing it can do is generate > what amounts to API documentation for a webapp's urlspace - an important > area of webapp development which is very often overlooked, i think. and > it's got unit tests. whee. anyway, i think it tries to support a different > niche than c2, and if anyone wants to take a look at it, lemme know. Sure ..that would be great! > congratulations again to all on the final release of cocoon 2.0. i've > missed you guys, and i hope to be able to be around more. look for my > naive questions on cocoon-users as i get back up to speed. :) Bet you will;) Good to have you on the list again. -- Torsten --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
