That sounds good.
We've used Castor for successfully binding heavy XML traffic. Have you coordinated efforts with the folks that started ExFormula. I see that Chris is still active on the Cocoon list. The reason why I am opening this subject again is because I think it can add significant value to Cocoon. I am prepared to put some time working on this. Please let me know if we should keep this discussion in the dev mailing list. So, as briefly as I can, I'll share my experience and ideas: For those who haven't used Struts: It is a succesful Apache project (http://jakarta.apache.org/struts) which automates the task of mapping html forms to value objects used in an application domain. It's expected to influence directly the following JSRs: JavaServer Faces JSR: http://jcp.org/jsr/detail/127.jsp JSP 1.4 JSR: http://jcp.org/jsr/detail/152.jsp If it's so good, why are you posting on this list ? Struts is great with HTML forms. However it doesn't deal nor it plans to deal with any other sort of media. It doesn't take into perspective web services for example. We want to reuse the interface layer for SOAP clients as well. For some time now our project had pending requirements for web services support. We want to let other companies integrate with our portal. A reason why we keep pushing this requirement off is that it can't happen easy. All our external interface have been tied to JSP+Struts. Since we want to allow customers to do through web services what they could do through the regular Web UI, we'll need to write a brand new interface layer. We won't be able to reuse the automatic population and validation that we have for the HTML interface. Being a Cocoon newbie, I might be totally wrong, but it appears that the current Cocoon architecture is also focused towards HTML form validation (through rules for HTTP POST/GET params), but it also does not try to deal with other media like SOAP. Last October there has been an interesting discussion on the Cocoon mailing list about integrating server side XForms. I found it quite interesting, because based on my experience I do believe there is a farely good chance that XForms (or some limited version) can be successfully integrated in Cocoon so that data validation and java binding code (two way: web client <-> XML <-> Java domain objects) can be easily reused for clients ranging from HTML to SOAP. I also believe that this can be achieved with a sufficiently high performance (in many cases the WebClient <-> JavaObjects transformation can be achieved without necessarily going through naive XML representation. Instead using SAX events and JAXB ). Additionally data validation can be probably achieved elegantly through parser (xerces2) validation against XML Schema. Berin, Chris, Torsten and others seem to have made similar observation and have therefore started ExFormula last year. Chiba looks promising too. Can we try to unify and finish the job started, so that Cocoon moves to the next level. I'm all ears ! -= Ivelin =- -----Original Message----- From: Thorsten Mauch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:49 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: AW: Cocoon, XForms, ExFormula,, Struts, etc Hi we are working on a integeration from cocoon chiba and castor-xml http://sourceforge.net/projects/chiba/ we like to use castor to perform the data exchange automaticly. Beside this we wrote some basic actions to handle Xforms request. I hope that you will see a basic version of that in the Chiba CVS -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ivanov, Ivelin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2002 06:49 An: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Betreff: Cocoon, XForms, ExFormula,, Struts, etc Hi, After using successfully JSPs+Struts for a relatively big enterprise project, I've grown to appreciate the MVC model, but have also found some places where it can be improved. Before starting a long discussion, I'm first just looking for a short answer to the following question: Does Cocoon 2 have a mechanism for achieving automatic Form population and validation, similar to Struts ? I've noticed that in the project archive XForms and ExFormula have been discussed on a number of ocasions, but they've been integrated in C2. Am I wrong? I will appreciate a prompt response. 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