Michael Homeijer wrote: > > Hi, > > A week ago q42.nl anounced Xopus 2.0 (a great wysiwyg XML editor), it's > going to be open-sourced! > Yesterday Wyona.org anounced on the mailing list the first integration of > Xopus 1.0 into the new Wyona CMS (a Cocoon 2.0 based CMS). > > I've seen a first version and it's great. It looks just like the Xopus > demo's on the www.q42.nl website. > > Just thought i'd let you know. > It would be great to have a standard approach for handling forms this way in > a Cocoon environment, where you can have a look and feel of forms depending > on capabilities of your browser (standard HTML form, Xopus for IE 5.5+ > browsers (don't know requirements for 2.0), maybe a DHTML/Javascript > solution or a plugin solution for mozilla). > This could be an extra push to position Cocoon stronger in projects where > the incoming flow of data is very important.
Xopus is *incredibly* cool! When I saw it last year at wyona's in Zurich, I was litterarely blown away. Giacomo was there and he can testify: and man, it's *hard* to impress me :) Xopus is awesome because is entirely XML/XSLT/XMLSchema driven. Everything running on the client side and posting XML results (validated!) back. The XML is the model, the XSLT is the view and the XMLSchema is the controller. MVC at the inline editing level. Brilliant, elegant and great! But works only on IE5.5+, only on windows, it works on top of MSXML 3.0+ *only*, it uses nonstandard javascript.... evolutionary-wise, it's like shooting ourselves in the foot big time. The Wyona guys also have form-based editing... which no matter what, I can't get to like. The fact that I can't make something 'strong' in the middle of a form makes me puke, no matter what. Sure, you can write 'structured text' and let the system parse it... yuck! we can do better than that. There's no way out: Mozilla is the key. We must find a way to implement Xopus concepts into Mozilla. Now: if only we could write java XPCOM components :/ Bah, anyway, the wyona guys are telling me there is a company called 'bitflux' which is working on a 'Xopus Mozilla' version, but I've never seen it and I greatly hope it's written as an XPCOM component otherwise it simply won't work. Ah, BTW: I'm going to dive into the mozilla source code in the next few days. Wish me good luck: I might not find the way back! :) [yes, people, in case you haven't noticed, my soul belongs to visual stuff, things you can see. maybe a browser is the ultimate project I always wanted to work on :)] Ah, BTW, I'll be taking a speech at the first annual open source content management systems conference in Zurich, March 21/22 2002 http://conference.wyona.org about 'enabling semantic searching', I plan to do *lots* of brainstorming with the people there since a mozilla-based editor is something that interests *every* CMS provider, no matter what system/architecture/programming-language it's based on. Hope to see many of you there. -- Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
