>> Right, but this 3rd party stuff (in lib/optional) is for features that Struts doesn't provide. > >yes, but this feeds into the marketing problem. Just what IS Cocoon?
This is important : one of the main problem I hade when I said that wanted to use C2 for my project is that Cocoon defines itself as a "publication framework". The answer I hade was "we are not making a news portal, but a real application, we do not need to publish the content of our database in html, but to provide services with a web client". So, when I hade to compare Cocoon with Struts (yes, I'm one of the 3 Sylvain spoke about :), I tryed not to present Cocoon as a "publication framework" but as : -a MVC framework with text configured, extensible, controler -a framework that do not provide anything for the business tier (model) and oblige you to separate have a separated business tier (EJB, custom API) wich can provide XML -a pipe system based on XML and "transformers" for the view. -Avalon is great So now how does it compare to Struts ? -Struts is a MVC Framework -Struts don't oblige you bother with XML, but don't get real advantage of it -Struts leave it up to you to separate business and application tier, and JSP don't help you to separate logic and presentation. -If you can afford it, an application server is great So : -Struts is faster to learn -(Struts should be faster to run, and use less memory, but we should test that, and use an EJB server or use Avalon in struts) -With struts, you can reuse all your javabean instead of loosing time to XMLize them -If you do not think XML is a must, if you do not want to separate logique from presentation, business from application, ok, use struts. I'll have warn you. (maybe a more formal report when I have time to write it, but the important idea there is : Is Cocoon just a publication framework, or is it a Web Applicatioin Framework ?) >What does seperation of concerns (thanks for not abbreviating it) mean >to my boss? (Yes I know what it means, but >its not a good high-level perspective. MVC has caught on. >Many of the >paycheck signers don't know what it means but >they now know its something they should have...) -- and by the >way...sometimes I sell struts because its better than the >approach they have and Cocoon is way over their head or seems more >risky. I'd still categorize cocoon as an emerging >technology. Struts has nearly achieved "standard" level. Is there a "Software Engeneering for Dummys" book, I need one ? (for a "friend") fabien. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
