"J.Pietschmann" wrote: > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > In that case I agree: like I said, if you need to do your stuff without > > Cocoon around, or without a precise way (xpipe?) to define how a > > document is processed, document() is the way to go. That's the only > > argument I acknowledge. > > The problem appears to be that there aren't many > (any?) stand-alone xinclude processors and XML > pipeline processors out there, not the mention > the lack of standardized interfaces, descriptions > (for pipelines) and behaviour. Cocoon is breaking > ground here, but for many purposes having to use > full Cocoon is just too heavyweight (and too > monolithic).
Agreed. > What about applying to standards organisations > for pipeline descriptions and Java interfaces > to xinclude, pipeline, FO and SVG processors? > Cocoon could provide a host experience and would > make a great testbed. http://xpipe.sourceforge.net/ http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-pipeline/ They are both much more limited than Cocoon, but they are powerful enough to turn document() into a bad practice most of the times. Unfortunately, the subject is very critical politically-wise and it will remain so for ages, I would assume, expecially with the impact on the web-service processes where either you come up with something as powerful as cocoon's sitemap or you are doomed. A general xml pipeline description language might just be a holy grail or turn into a programming language. Right now, the note proposed by Eve Maler and Norm Walsh (long time contributors of the document-centric XML/SGML world) is a sort of 'ant build file for xml processing'. Indeed powerful, but limited in scope and many believe too document-oriented. I wouldn't personally wait for such a standard to emerge soon. And even if it does, I wouldn't bet it would allow us to replace our sitemap with it. So, yes, we are breaking grounds (Cocoon is the *first* pipeline-based XML engine. Period.) and I think we are even too further along the road... which sometimes is a good thing, sometimes it's not. Up to you to choose which one applies. -- Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Friedrich Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
