they're not allowing GIF and JPEG then either ?
I have hard to see that a firewall would filter out
binary files unconditionally.
I feel pretty sure saying that if you can get a GIF image thru
the firewall, gzipped HTML should slip through aswell.
/thomas.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Bertram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: xml compressing
> Hi Thomas,
>
> comperssing is nice, but what ist about fire-walls!?
>
> at great industries they don't allow to get compressed files over net
>
> Klaus
>
> nbis - Röttgerweg 10 - 51371 Leverkusen
> phone: +49-214-206494-0
> fax: +49-214-206494-44
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:43 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: xml compressing
> >
> >
> > I have been fiddling around alot with sending gzip compressed streams to
a
> > browser.
> > and have the following info for anyone willing to experiment.
> >
> > if/what compression algorithms a browser can deal with is stated in the
> > request header
> > "Accept-Encoding". values I have seen is "deflate" and "gzip".
> > NN4.06+, MSIE 4+ and NN6/Mozilla (M17+) accepts and automatically
> > decodes an
> > incoming
> > gzipped HTML stream just fine, but ONLY if the server sends along
> > appropiate
> > info about this.
> >
> > Say you have some implementation that gzips up some data on the fly and
> > wishes to send
> > a gzip-chunk to the browser, these three headers are crucial for
> > the browser
> > to recognize
> > the stream as gzip.
> >
> > Content-Length
> > Content-Encoding: gzip
> > Content-type: text/html
> >
> > if the browser accepts gzipped data, and these three headers are set
> > correct, it'll work.
> > I have been serving gzip compressed HTML with my apache for over two
years
> > now
> > and over a slow connection this is a real boost. A vanilla ASCII
> > file can be
> > reduced with
> > 80-90% of its original size. taking down a 65kB chunk to less than 5kB,
is
> > that a save or what.
> >
> > those interested in this should have a look at mod_gzip. Don't
> > know how well
> > it co-ops with a
> > servlet engine, but its definitely worth a try if you'd ask me.
> >
> >
> >
> > my 2 cents
> > Thomas.
> > ___________________________________________________
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> > http://www.jet.st | http://www.saltstorm.net
> > ________________________________S_a_l_t_s_t_o_r_m____
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Morrison, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: xml compressing
> >
> >
> > > Whether browsers support compression (usually either gzip or
> > zip I think)
> > is
> > > sent as part of the header of the request. It is then up to
> > the server to
> > > do any compression (of the supported type) it desires.
> > >
> > > To my knowledge:
> > >
> > > Apache httpd can compress it's output.
> > > TC 4 I think can (it's a filter applied after the content has been
> > > generated)
> > > C2 doesn't. I _don't_ know if it's possible &/ desired.
> > >
> > > You can't compress the html+images though, only one thing at once as
it
> > > t'were.
> > >
> > > Don't take what I say as gospel - I've been wrong before ;)
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: java guru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 05 September 2001 2:01 pm
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andrew Answer
> > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: xml compressing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi.,
> > > > Again., let me if i have mistaken anything..
> > > >
> > > > 1. When we are talking about html over internet, we
> > > > are talking about a server and a client(browser). You
> > > > only have control over your side(server side). You
> > > > DONT have control over the client(browser side).
> > > >
> > > > 2. Any compression mechanisms(let it be simple zip or
> > > > xmlppm) requires two operations, compression and
> > > > de-compression. And when you dont have control over
> > > > the client side., how can u make sure the compressed
> > > > docs gets de-compressed on the other end?. This can
> > > > only be possible when u have control over both sides
> > > > like B2B environment.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Now., again., if the kinda technique exists that
> > > > enable one to compress whole html along with images
> > > > and tables and send them over the network and there
> > > > exists a client browser which understands all these
> > > > and de-compress the stuff., then the internet world
> > > > would have been somewhere else...No kidding..
> > > >
> > > > Again., correct me if wrong...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Andrew Answer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi java
> > > > guru,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 8:38:37 PM, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > jg> Hi.,
> > > > > jg> Correct me if wrong..
> > > > >
> > > > > jg> 1. The xml/xsl rendering in c2 is done on server
> > > > > side.
> > > > > jg> Then why do u need to compress the xml/xsp for
> > > > > client
> > > > > jg> side?
> > > > >
> > > > > But if i even generate HTML-files, anyway i want/can
> > > > > compress theirs for
> > > > > decrease traffic. I want to learn this aspect,
> > > > > because it's can be
> > > > > very useful for me. My pages are too large (many
> > > > > tables, texts,
> > > > > images - 50-60k)
> > > > >
> > > > > jg> 2. The xsp/sitemap precompilation process is in
> > > > > jg> faq..Please try it...
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, i do this.
> > > > >
> > > > > jg> --- Andrew Answer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> > > > > Hello
> > > > > jg> cocoon-users,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have some questions about C2 environment...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1. Anybody know can i compress my xml/xsp files
> > > > > >> before publishing it?
> > > > > >> I want to use on-the-fly compressing util like
> > > > > >> XMLPPM
> > > > > >> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmlppm). It's
> > > > > >> can decrease my traffic.
> > > > > >> Need i change MIME-type of HTTP header for
> > > > > >> automatic decompression
> > > > > >> files on the user? May be i must change files
> > > > > >> extension?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2. Can I precompile my site into .class files
> > > > > for
> > > > > >> speed increasing?
> > > > > >> How to do this?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Best regards,
> > > > > >> Andrew
> > > > > >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > jg>
> > > > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> Please check that your question has not already
> > > > > been
> > > > > >> answered in the
> > > > > >> FAQ before posting.
> > > > > >> <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > jg> =====
> > > > > jg> Thanks and have great day
> > > > > jg> srini
> > > > >
> > > > > jg>
> > > > >
> > > > ____________________________________________________________
> > > > > jg> Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > > jg> Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct
> > > > > polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/
> > > > > groups.yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Please check that your question has not already been
> > > > > answered in the
> > > > > FAQ before posting.
> > > > > <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Thanks and have great day
> > > > srini
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________________________________________
> > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > For regular News updates go to http://in.news.yahoo.com
> > > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
> > > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
=======================================================================
> > > Information in this email and any attachments are confidential, and
may
> > > not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor
disclosed
> > > to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to
> > > create any legally binding contract or other commitment through the
use
> > > of this email.
> > >
> > > Experian Limited (registration number 653331).
> > > Registered office: Talbot House, Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5HF
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
> > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
> > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
> >
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
> FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
