For your HelloWorld adventure, check out chello on sourceforge. Cheers, Thor HW
3/28/2002 7:11:32 PM, Rob Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My unsolicited opinion: > >I just ran across Cocoon because I am an xml.apache.org contributor (did >some work last summer on Axis). Cocoon has very little visibility outside >of Apache. > >I think that Cocoon is designed and built mostly by programmers, and hasn't >been marketed well (or indeed at all!). It doesn't really fit into any >specific product niche -- it falls right in between the Java infrastructure >world (dominated by EJBs) and the XML infrastructure world (dominated by XSL). > >What is its direct competition? A variety of other content management >systems, foremost of which is probably Zope (an open-source Python CMS with >a good web UI but no XSL underpinnings). This is an evolving sector. If >you look on Google for "content management system" or "Java XSLT" you will >probably turn up rather more hits.... > >IMHO the main difficulty with Cocoon right now is how hard it is to >learn. I am spending most of this week just coming to grips with the >basics. It is *not* easy to dive right into the system and understand >(say) exactly how the esql sample page gets converted into html (i.e. what >exactly are all the steps of the pipeline, and where are they defined in >the various sitemaps / logicsheets / stylesheets). Nor is it easy to know >where to start when creating a new site, with a new CSS foundation and all >new templates. > >I would love (and may work on developing) a "starter web application" under >Cocoon, with its own local sitemap and its own templates... sort of a >"hello world webapp" totally contained in one directory. > >Right now Cocoon is really best suited for programmers with lots of time to >learn a new (albeit powerful) tool. In order to get wider adoption, Cocoon >will need *even more* attention paid to making it easy for newbies to start >working with it -- not only more tutorials along the lines of CTwiG, but >also more (and more functional!) sample applications, and probably even >more web-based management tools (since doing *all* Cocoon administration by >editing XML files is not exactly easy -- try out Zope for an example of a >different, simpler, approach). > >I do still like Cocoon, in theory, but the learning curve is daunting and >it's still not clear I will be able to spend enough time on it to start >getting good results. > >Cheers, >Rob > > > >At 06:28 PM 3/28/2002 -0800, Steven Punte wrote: >>Dear Cocoon User Group: >> >> First of all, I LOVE the Cocoon framework, >> I'm a total believer, and expecially love >> how Cocoon2 is turning out! >> >> Cocoon seems just awesomely powerfully, years >> ahead of the classical architectures proposed >> by Sun (i.e. JSP to ServletBeans to EJBs...). >> >> But how come there is NO (i.e. ABSOLUTELY NO) >> demand for Cocoon expertise in the US market? >> Type in key word "java" and retrieve 3500 hits >> on www.dice.com. Type in key word "cocoon" >> and get ZERO! >> >> Is it all just a dream? >> >> Steve >> >>PS: >> No need to reply if "your" commerical project >> is using it: congradulation. But the bigger >> picture is my question. >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� >>http://movies.yahoo.com/ >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Please check that your question has not already been answered in the >>FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html> >> >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Please check that your question has not already been answered in the >FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html> > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check that your question has not already been answered in the FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
