Score 2, informative ;-) I guess I'll have to get KDE3. Either that or I have no clue about what is going on in my machine (quite possible). Manos -----Original Message----- From: Hochsteger Andreas /INFO-MA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wed 8/14/2002 6:32 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Subject: AW: sexy open source I don't know, if you're interested in that, but I've got some additions to your suggestions: * CRM/ERP System: Compiere (http://www.compiere.org/) * XML Editor for Content Editing: Xopus 2 (http://www.xopus.org/) * Content Management System: Wyona (http://www.wyona.org/) * SVG Editing: Kontour (KDE KOffice Application, http://www.koffice.org/kontour/) * eBusiness Integration Open3 Projects and Components (http://www.open3.org/) * Enterprise Network Management: OpenNMS (http://www.opennms.org/) * Single-Sign-On: Liberty Alliance Standard (no products yet?) * Central User Management: ? * Workflow Management: OpenFlow (http://www.openflow.it/EN/) Open Business Engine (http://www.openbusinessengine.org/) Open For Business (http://www.ofbiz.org/) * Instant Messaging: Jabber (http://www.jabber.org/) * Shop/eCommerce Open For Business (http://www.ofbiz.org/) I could imagine even more business areas, where a complete open source based integration would be like heaven. Please give comments, I'm interesting in your suggestions. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Vegan Portal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. August 2002 14:53 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: sexy open source > > > Hi cocooners, > Now that I have your attention, I would like to > discuss the ideal of non-compromised development of > full-blown, stable, scallable and manageable > applications with open-source only and how far one > could get to fulfill this. It is probably little OT on > this list, but I think a bunch of very open-minded and > progressive folks is here, so I hope I could get some > discussion going. > I think many of you have reached some status quo which > could be of great service to all the newcomers. > Nevertheless, everybody is probably tired of yet > another bugs, yet another unanswered questions, yet > another everyday technology-related problems and there > is no end to this. But I have a faith that there is > some solution that could be achieved with open source > and it waits to be discovered. > It starts with what one wants to achieve. For me, it > is secure content-centric multi-user roles web portal, > with professional design, able to serve without > interruption even by ongoing changes and high user > traffic. But I think the framework I'd like to propose > here may be universal enough to be equally worth also > for many other means. > If you got so far with me, I'd like to start being > concrete: > 1) Operating system > Proposal: Linux > Remarks: One could discuss the distributions or other > Unix derivates here, but I think it's irrelevant for > further points. > 2) Programming language > Proposal: pure Java 1.3.1x > Remarks: I know many of you are trying 1.4 out, but it > may still take some time to be able to be used for > production sites. Moreover, many open source > technologies were still not ported to 1.4. Correct me > if I'm wrong. > 3) Application framework > Proposal: JBoss 3.x > Remarks: This is worth discussion, as many of you use > iPlanet or don't use any J2EE or related technologies > at all. I think JBoss is good for achieving > scallability for the site. What concrete parts of > JBoss are involved, is very OT here. > 4) Business Logic Persistence > Proposal: Firebird RDBMS as JBoss service > Remarks: I personally think it is most evolved > open-source database now. The problem is, almost > nobody uses it, the JDBC driver is beta etc. Next good > candidate could be PostgreSQL - with more user > support, so maybe better solution. Any ideas? > 5) Web container > Proposal: Jetty as JBoss service > Remarks: I know Tomcat is more used, but Jetty is > easier to be integrated into JBoss and both offer > similar if not same functionality. This is a point I > would like to discuss further. > 6) Content Persistence > Proposal: stand-alone XIndice > Remarks: This component should be used only for > content without business logic, outside J2EE, for > example for simple static content editing templates > and external content syndicate subscription. Simply > for everything that's too light to be served by deep > application logic. Did anybody use it already? That's > a question. > 7) Content Framework > Proposal: Cocoon, what else :) > Remarks: The task of Cocoon is to separate Logic from > Design, what it should be good at. I want to get more > detailed here: Starting with structured XSP, > xincluding or transforming (what is better?) parts of > final site together, using taglib logicsheets for > access to business logic that is delegated to J2EE > (did anybody here got it working?), other taglib for > content persistence and yet other for reused content > elements. The XSP should contain as little Java as > possible, all hrefs should be good organized with > sitemap and XForm could be used for user inputs (are > we so far?). XSP should somehow incorporate JAAS from > JBoss for user authorisation to access the documents > (anybody tried this?) The result of multiple > transformations is then complete site as XML, that is > further processed using XSLT to incorporate the design > and graphics and serialized to appropriate end format. > If possible, all the vector design elements should be > dynamically created using SVG (anybody?), page should > be somehow cacheable for better response times (???) > and the final result should be optimized for several > types of client (is DELI of use here?) and/or > serialized to PDF (do I expect too much?). The > workflow by creating the content can be following: > After initial discussion between involved parties, > dummy working XSP/XSL is/are created, possibly reusing > already available static elements from taglibs. Then, > database/J2EE developers work on filling it with > propper dynamic data, content writers type in > internationalized static texts and designers are > parallel creating more mature XSL, icons, SVG and thin > client customizations. Working adjustments are posted > to versioning system without injuring established > interfaces to other team members. Final version > emerges and the team could proceed to other page. > Seems like heaven to me, but is probably hell to > achieve. Or is similar optimized team workflow > available anywhere in this world? > 8) Web frontend > Proposal: Apache > Remarks: This is only for security reasons - the task > of Apache is just to forward the requests. I think > more of you are using it, true? > 9) Suporting Tools > XML editor: ??? (I use several or write the XML from > scratch) > XSL editor: ??? (Did not find good free one) > SVG editor: ??? (any free one available?) > Versioning: CVS (makes some trouble for JBoss) > Dev IDE: Eclicpse (I use JBuilder now but want to > switch) > Sitemap editor: Pollo (is there anything else?) > Project Management: PHPMyProject (or other web-based > solution?) > Database Management: ibMyAdmin (depending on DB, of > course) > Project Modeling: Poseidon CE (used to visualize the > business proccess, generating DB structure, EJB and > documentation from XMI is still not mature enough for > serious use in my eyes) > anything else you use? > Now, I got about 80% of above configuration working, > but have severe problems with integrating the rest. > I'm eager to share my experience with anybody who is > interested and even more eager to get the rest or > another worthy combination to work together. Many > times I feel like reinventing the wheel, or some > dreaded little problem of incompatibility makes me to > start again with other versions of components. I hope > I could find anybody to go through this hell with me > and then share the results for the community. There > are probably other people trying to achieve similar > environments, I would be happy to know about them and > their progress. > OK, I'd better stop now, this post got too long for > occupied open-source developer eyes. > Thank you in advance, > Feel free to mail me personally ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > if you think this list is not the propper place for > such a discussion, > Peter. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet von Yahoo! 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