RE: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

[Brandes, Wayne]

The BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation page is much clearer now, IMO.

 

One observation I would make, as an "advanced beginner": becasue the use of wildcards hasn't been explained in detail I think that statements like "When the interpreter hits a '*' or a '**' in the pattern, it will automatically resolve the actual value into local sitemap-parameters named {1}, {2} as described in the following example: "    can be misinterpreted to mean that the {1} refers to one "*" and the {2} refers to two "*"'s, rather than to order in which the variables were set. I have been confused by that in other tutorials.

 

Thanks for your work on this

 

Wayne

 

 

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From: Derek Hohls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation strange evolution

A central index = a guide to the guides...

perhaps in a nested hierachy showing where

all the topics and subtopics fit together.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 03:58:40 >>>
Hy, Derek;

Derek Hohls wrote:
> I think the page is fine - if we add any more
> we will need to make 2 pages! otherwise the
> "simple beginners" will get put off...

I was close to split this page into two this morning:
basic_issue + advanced_issue
I simply didn't do it, because i was disturbed by a
phone call ;-)

> i was thinking we also need a central index page
> which ties all the bits and pieces together and
> gives some indication of reading order, level of
> complexity etc.   (the wiki is easy to add to, but
> hard to see where everything fits in..)

What do you mean by central index page ?
Can you explain in a little more detail ?

hussayn

>  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/02/2003 11:12:22 >>>
> Hy, Derek;
>
> I did a major revision of the Wiki-page.
>
> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
>
> Maybe you take a little time and review my changes.
>
> My big concern here is, that within the original verison
> of the page this stuff was already explained correctly.
> The errors have been added later. Now i have removed them again.
>
> Ok, the benefit we got from this intermezzo is another
> review of the page, which hopefully clearifies some
> additional points ;-)
>
> regards, Hussayn
>
> p.s.: apologize for my conclusion, about you beeing
> a windows user. Indeed i have added a few words to make
> clear, why i want absolute pathes here. That was not
> explained at all in the original text ;-)
>
>
> Derek Hohls wrote:
>  > Hussayn
>  > yes, it does!  (and I am both a windows user - local
>  > machine and UNIX user - for the production site)
>  >
>  > can you add these "gems" to the relevant wiki pages?!
>  >
>  > derek
>  >
>  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 04:15:00 >>>
>  > Hy, Derek;
>  >
>  > upps...
>  >
>  >  From your question may i conclude, that you are a windows user?
>  >
>  > I am not very familiar with the windows file syntax, but i
>  > think, the translation is something like:
>  >
>  > src=""     ==> $cocoonroot\work\sitemap.xmap
>  > src="" ==> D://work/sitemap.xmap
>  >
>  > By specifying an absolute path, i can separate my project sources
>  > physically from the cocoon-distrib. Does this answer your question ?
>  >
>  > regards, hussayn
>  >
>  >
>  > Derek Hohls wrote:
>  >  > Hussayn
>  >  >
>  >  > $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap - I understand, but
>  >  > where exactly is
>  >  > /work/sitemap.xmap ??? and why do you want it?
>  >  >
>  >  > Derek
>  >  >
>  >  >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 03:22:54 >>>
>  >  > Hy, Derek;
>  >  >
>  >  > If you specify a relative src it will be resolved relative to the
>  >  > current sitemap. If you specify an absolute source, it will be
>  >  > resolved as is ==>
>  >  >
>  >  > suppose you put a submount into the rottsitemap, then:
>  >  >
>  >  > src=""  ==> $cocoonroot/work/sitemap.xmap
>  >  > src="" ==> /work/sitemap.xmap
>  >  >
>  >  > If this is NOT correct, then i really missunderstood something ;-)
>  >  >
>  >  > regards, hussayn
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Derek Hohls wrote:
>  >  >  > Hussayn
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > From the Cocoon docs site:
>  >  >  >  http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/userdocs/concepts/sitemap.html
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > <map:match pattern="faq/*">
>  >  >  >    <map:mount uri-prefix="faq"
>  >  >  >              check-reload="no"
>  >  >  >              src=""/>
>  >  >  > </map:match>
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > The src attribute is where the sub-sitemap is located.
>  >  >  > If it ends in a slash "sitemap.xmap" is appended to find the
> sitemap,
>  >  >  > otherwise the src value is used. A check-reload attribute can
> be used
>  >  >  > to determine if the modification date of the sub-sitemap file
>  > should be
>  >  >  > checked.
>  >  >  > The uri-prefix is the part that should be removed from the request
>  > URI.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > The engine will correctly check for a trailing slash (which you may
>  >  >  > write,
>  >  >  > of course). If in the example above "faq/cocoon" is requested,
> "faq/"
>  >  >  > is removed from the URI and "cocoon" is passed to the sub-sitemap
>  >  >  > which is loaded from "faq/sitemap.xmap".
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > So - the Cocoon docs writer seems to be saying that src DOES
> NOT NEED
>  >  >  > a leading '/'  (of course, I am not sure if one is permissible??)
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I think we need clarity from one of the "gurus".... and for
> both sites
>  >  >  > to
>  >  >  > be updated with this detailed clarification !
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > Derek
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/02/2003 01:59:54 >>>
>  >  >  >>>
>  >  >  > Hy;
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I noticed a slight modification in
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  > http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BeginnerSimpleWebappOrganisation
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > which from my understanding has introduced two severe errors!
>  >  >  > As i don't exactly know, why these changes have been made,
>  >  >  > i want to ask if i missunderstood something. Here is, what i
>  >  >  > find suspect:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > 1.) Advanced Issue: separating your work folder from cocoon
>  >  >  >      ...
>  >  >  >      <map:pipeline>
>  >  >  >        <map:match pattern="work/**">
>  >  >  >          <map:mount check-reload="yes"
>  >  >  >                     reload-method="synchron"
>  >  >  >                     src=""
>  >  >  >                     uri-prefix="work"/>
>  >  >  >       </map:match>
>  >  >  >      </map:pipeline>
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >      This snippet i found in the doc. In my eyes this does NOT
>  >  >  >      what is explained in the doc. From my understanding the
>  >  >  >      source must be declared as absolute path as follows:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >                     src=""
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >      Why has the leading slash been deleted in the doc?
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > 2.) Advanced issue: Setting up a generic mount point outside of
> Cocoon
>  >  >  >      I found a similar modification:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >                     src=""
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >      Shouldn't it be:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >                     src=""
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > I post this email only, because i don't understand, why these mods
>  > have
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > been made. From the history i can see, these mods have been made by
>  >  >  > two
>  >  >  > different persons... hmm...
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
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