+1 for Sarah's view here.

Code4lib is a community, and an especially inclusive one.  I too was annoyed by 
all the job posts, then I needed to use it a few times to get the word out on a 
position and can think of no better community to draw from.  It was worth the 
effort of creating a filter to somewhat declutter the list.

I'm also hoping Stuart was being sarcastic, but it didn't read that way.  Email 
is a hard place to be funny, or sometimes even direct, without it coming off 
the wrong way.  I've learned this the hard way ;)

Declan

PS I did kinda dig the Shib reference ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah 
Shealy
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 5:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs

> Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:51:02 +1200
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
> To: [email protected]
> 
> On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
> > Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always "No"? There seem 
> > to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there are 
> > relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this list was 
> > originally created? If so, I'll stop now.
> 
> The answer is always "no" because we are collectively using the the 
> possession of an email client with filtering capability and the 
> personal knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group 
> membership. Those who find it easier to complain than write a filter 
> mark themselves as members of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.
> 
> cheers
> stuart

This is a pretty terrible reply. Besides being rude, you're creating an 
artificial divide between "us" and "them". No one is 'intruding' on anyone - 
it's a public forum for people who work in LIBRARIES (aka - places where 
inclusion is supposed to rule) without any filtering of participants, so 
technically anyone with an email address is part of the 'ingroup'. Just because 
you think you're one of the cool kids doesn't mean you should try to intimidate 
others with obscure words (seriously, shibboleth?) and patronizing tone. 

Unless you're trying to be sarcastic...in which case ignore this. But it 
doesn't come across that way.

Also, asking why isn't complaining.

And to answer the original question - job listings help more people than they 
annoy so they should be kept as-is. 

Sarah
                                          

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