................................. To leave Commie, hyper to http://commie.oy.com/commie_leaving.html ................................. I got the answer from another mailing list... ---> Jarmo Lundgren Multimediatsaari Helsingin Sanomat, Verkkoliite p. 09-1227555 / 040-5345868 > -----Original Message----- > From: The Turtle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 5. maaliskuuta 2001 23:28 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CM>] Mac vs. Atari vs. Amiga vs. Windows > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Community Memory: Discussion List on the History of Cyberspace > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Lundgren Jarmo wrote: > > > How come Apple never sued Atari or Amiga because of copying > details of > > their operating system? Why they sued only Microsoft? Were > the others too > > small players for paying attention to? > > The Apple suit against Microsoft had little to do with > operating systems > and everything to do with user interfaces. DOS, the basis of > Windows 1.x, > after all isn't anything like the Mac ROM or OS. > > Apple did, in fact, sue Digital Research over their Graphic > Environment > Manager (GEM) 1.0, and the 1.1 version was reworked to look > much more like > Window 1.x. I have, somewhere, the install disks for the old > "illegal" > release and it was far, far more MacLike than Windows ever > pretended to > be. > > Atari and Amiga both engineered complete OSes, they didn't just slap a > graphical interface on a character-based program launcher. > This topic was > widely discussed in the trade press at the time, and the > conclusion that > some people reached (and that if you think about it, makes > sense) was that > Apple did it as much out of vengeance than anything else. > Microsoft had > had extensive business dealings with Apple; Atari and Amiga (being > competitors in the Apple II days with the Atari 400/800 and > the Commodore > machines, respectively) had not. I still suspect Apple did > it as a way > to "punish" Microsoft. > > > And, btw2, which details of Mac System were already in the > original Xerox OS > > and what did Apple invent themselves? > > > > At least I've been told that mounting the pulldown menus on > the edge of the > > screen was one of the Apple inventions. It was a result of > tests in the > > Apple user interface laboratory. They just noticed that it > was the best > > place for the menus. (This factoid was read @ http://www.asktog.com) > > The Star workstation (one of the best surviving examples of > the Xerox PARC > interface as it existed when Apple saw it) had context menus > all over the > place, and seemed to have a different style for nesting folders. A > portion of the OS Apple should have tried to execute and didn't was > effective task-switching. > > > Then again, the trash can was already in Xerox UI, right? > > Yes, it was. > > > The logic in Atari ST or Amiga was (/is) only slightly > different than in > > Mac. In Amiga, you had to right-click to make them visible > and in Atari they > > opened without any kind of click. > > These might appear to be small things, but they are not. For example, > clickable window focus: in Windows, you must click a window > to give it > focus, but in X, you can configure it to gain focus merely by > waving the > pointer over it. The "slight" difference in logic as as > drastic as the > difference between the 1-button and 2- (or 3-) button mouse. > > Turtle > > ---------------------------------------- > The Weightless Dog: > Perfecting the digital booger since 1994 > http://www.weightlessdog.com > Families Without Children: > Families Just The Same! > ---------------------------------------- > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Posted by David S. Bennahum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Moderator: Community Memory > http://memex.org/community-memory.html > A CPSR Project -- http://www.cpsr.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Materials may be reposted in their *entirety* for non-commercial use. > > Get this list in digest form: SET CYHIST DIGEST > Leave this list: SIGNOFF CYHIST > Send these commands to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ______________________________________________________________________ >
