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Tuomas Kiviaho commented on ACE-306:
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Hello Marcel,

What I meant to write was 'in addition' instead 'instead of' because it good to 
have a solution such as ace-laucher that is self-reliant and works 
out-of-the-box. What I was after was to have option 3) without having to use 
management agent. run-target infact uses also the management-agent and not 
directly the fine-grained bundles so I had to skim though the management agent 
activator in order to see what makes it tick (which bundles are started and 
what configurations given out).

The main reason I wrote this issue was that there wasn't really anything in the 
bin-build.xml nor in the run-target to support the scenario 3). devserver on 
the other hand has a nice pax runner environment and I think that target 
environment could be served similarly. Currently I feel that the learning curve 
is a bit steep for us that are unable to appreciate the work you've put in to 
make thing easier. :-)
                
> Pax runner based target server
> ------------------------------
>
>                 Key: ACE-306
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACE-306
>             Project: ACE
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>            Reporter: Tuomas Kiviaho
>
> It would be nice to have an open set of bundles instead of using ace launcher 
> that embeds everything together and forces using felix framework. I suggest 
> that similar pax runner environment would be provided by the ant script as it 
> is now done for devserver.
> As bonus the configuration can be done using cfg files instead of CLI 
> parameters.
> A downside is that for small projects there will be more ace bundles than 
> actual project bundles which gives a messy appearance in console. This can be 
> avoided using OSGi subsystems in the future.

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