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Howard M. Lewis Ship edited comment on TAP5-916 at 12/11/09 7:14 PM:
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This does come down to a question of what's good for users savvy enough to use 
Logback, vs. what works best for general users (who use Log4J out of habit and 
never think about logging beyond that).

      was (Author: hlship):
    This does come down to a queston of what's good for user's savvy enough to 
use Logback vs. general users who use Log4J out of habit.
  
> Tapestry projects include logging impls as compile depencency
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TAP5-916
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-916
>             Project: Tapestry 5
>          Issue Type: Bug
>            Reporter: Ben Tomasini
>            Priority: Minor
>
> When including tapestry-ioc in my projects, my maven dependencies look like 
> this:
> <dependency>
>             <groupId>org.apache.tapestry</groupId>
>             <artifactId>tapestry-ioc</artifactId>
>             <version>5.1.0.5</version>
>             <exclusions>
>               <exclusion>
>                       <artifactId>slf4j-log4j12</artifactId>
>                       <groupId>org.slf4j</groupId>
>               </exclusion>
>               <exclusion>
>                       <artifactId>log4j</artifactId>
>                       <groupId>log4j</groupId>
>               </exclusion>
>             </exclusions>
>         </dependency>
> I am using logback in my application and need the exclude log4j.  Ideally, 
> these dependencies should be changed to <scope>provided</scope> in the 
> tapestry poms.

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