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Peter Stavrinides commented on TAP5-411:
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> It's not that simple. If you have the page open on two tabs, the most natural 
> approach is they have separate per page stores.
No, better to use conversational state in this case (a tab is either 
independent or it isn't). It can be simple in my view, if they reference the 
same id, exactly as a session scoped page would, with the one single difference 
being when to terminate this reference; and that would be when an active 
instance can no longer be found, this is the only tricky bit to solve. If you 
think of it like that then all the rest falls into place, anything else will 
overcomplicate it and cause functional faults.



> A persistence strategy to provide page state that persists until the user 
> navigates away from the page
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>
>                 Key: TAP5-411
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-411
>             Project: Tapestry 5
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: tapestry-core
>    Affects Versions: 5.1
>            Reporter: Peter Stavrinides
>              Labels: tapestr5-review-for-closing
>
> Perhaps the most commonly reoccurring  persistence pattern is 'per page', as 
> opposed to session wide, or per request. Tapestry provides persistence 
> strategies for the later of these, but there is no strategy that mirrors a 
> pages 'implied' life-cycle. 
> @Persist
> Persists a value for a page for the duration of a session: best used on 
> primitives, a disadvantage is that its open for abuse by incorrect use which 
> will clutter the session and increase its size thereby reducing scalability.
> @Persist("flash")
> A persisted object is removed after a post: - Not suited to all use cases 
> that require 'page specific' persistence... render methods can sometimes 
> prevent using flash persistence.
> Currently the most scalable pattern for simulating page state is using 
> onActivate with onPassivate, and re-instantiating objects required for the 
> page, generally from their identifiers.   
> It requires more boilerplate code for checking that URL parameters are passed 
> correctly, particularly for pages that have 'optional parameters'... the 
> downside is more queries and having to use identifiers in URL parameters.
> @Persist("conversation")
> Seam provides this type of strategy, conversations provide a generally better 
> persistence context, persistence is associated to a single window / tab, for 
> which it retains state information between data requests/posts etc (whereas 
> its relatives, which are other windows or tabs will be independent to the 
> 'conversation') . Conversational state has been discussed in the past for 
> Tapestry.
> @Persist("?")
> The proposed strategy is along the same lines as conversational state, but 
> persisted values are retained for all instances of that page (regardless of 
> tabs or windows, meaning in practice that all active instances of that page 
> share an identifier), so closing all instances would remove associated 
> persisted values.
> More on this in this thread here:
> http://www.nabble.com/Persistance-td20732003.html#a20732003

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