If people are concerned about regression then just don't install new versions, or install a vendor tested stable version. Giving users choices is a good thing for stability.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sangjin Lee <sjl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the bar for making the maintenance releases should be set > reasonably high, and the main reason is the concern for > stability/regression. Unfortunately there have been cases where a seemingly > innocuous bug fix introduced regressions, small or large. And that defeats > the purpose of a maintenance release. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com> > wrote: > > > Every new patch potentially brings in new bugs. So, if we want to limit > the > > kinds of potential bugs introduced in point releases, we might want to > > limit what gets in. > > > > Would be nice to make sure a point release is more stable than a previous > > point release in that line. > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Sean Busbey <bus...@cloudera.com> > wrote: > > > > > Why not just include all backwards compatible bug fixes? > > > > > > Alternatively, why not appoint a Release Manager for the minor release > > line > > > and then allow them to arbitrate when there's disagreement about > > inclusion? > > > This has worked well in the HBase community. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > As I proposed in the other thread, how about we adopting the > following > > > > model: > > > > > > > > x.y.1 releases have all Blocker, Critical, Major bug fixes applied to > > the > > > > next minor release. > > > > x.y.2 releases have all Blocker, Critical bug fixes applied to the > next > > > > minor release. > > > > x.y.3 releases have all Blocker bug fixes applied to next minor > > release. > > > > > > > > Here I am assuming there are no security-fix-only or other urgent > > > releases. > > > > > > > > We could apply this approach for 2.7.x onwards, and do an adhoc 2.6 > > > > release. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli < > > > > vino...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I started a thread while back on this one ( > > > > > http://markmail.org/message/sbykjn5xgnksh6wg) and had many offline > > > > > discussions re 2.6.1. > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem I found offline was about what bug-fixes are > > > > > acceptable and what aren’t for everyone wishing to consume 2.6.1. > > Given > > > > the > > > > > number of bug-fixes that went into 2.7.x and into branch-2.8, > > figuring > > > > out > > > > > a set of patches that is acceptable for everyone is a huge > challenge > > > > which > > > > > kind of stalled my attempts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > +Vinod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Sangjin Lee <sjl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong +1 for having a 2.6.1 release. I understand Vinod has been > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > get that effort going but it's been stalled a little bit. It > would > > be > > > > > good > > > > > > to rekindle that effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Companies with big hadoop 2.x deployments (including mine) have > > > always > > > > > > tried to stabilize a 2.x release by > testing/collecting/researching > > > > > critical > > > > > > issues on the release. Each would come up with its own set of > fixes > > > to > > > > > > backport. We would also communicate it via offline channels. > During > > > the > > > > > > hadoop summit, we thought it would be great if we all came > together > > > and > > > > > > create a public stability/bugfix release on top of 2.x (2.6.1 for > > 2.6 > > > > for > > > > > > example) with all the critical issues fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sangjin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Tsuyoshi Ozawa < > oz...@apache.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you for the notification. Trying to back port bug fixes. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - Tsuyoshi > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:45 AM, Sean Busbey < > bus...@cloudera.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>> Hi Hadoopers! > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Over in HBase we've been discussing the impact of our > > dependencies > > > on > > > > > our > > > > > >>> downstream users. As our most fundamental dependency, Hadoop > > plays > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > >>> role in the operational cost of running an HBase instance. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Currently the HBase 1.y release line supports Hadoop 2.4, 2.5, > > and > > > > > >> 2.6[1]. > > > > > >>> We don't drop Hadoop minor release lines in minor releases so > we > > > are > > > > > >>> unlikely remove anything from this set until HBase 2.0, > probably > > at > > > > the > > > > > >> end > > > > > >>> of 2015 / start of 2016 (and currently we plan to continue > > > supporting > > > > > at > > > > > >>> least 2.4 for HBase 2.0 [2]). Lately we've been discussing > > updating > > > > our > > > > > >>> shipped binaries to Hadoop 2.6, following some stability > testing > > by > > > > > part > > > > > >> of > > > > > >>> our community[3]. Unfortunately, 2.6.0 in particular has a > couple > > > of > > > > > bugs > > > > > >>> that could destroy HBase clusters should users decide to turn > on > > > HDFS > > > > > >>> encryption[4]. Our installation instructions tell folks to > > replace > > > > > these > > > > > >>> jars with the version of Hadoop they are actually running, but > > not > > > > all > > > > > >>> users follow those instructions so we want to minimize the pain > > for > > > > > them. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Regular maintenance releases are key to keeping operational > > burdens > > > > low > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>> our downstream users; we don't want them to be forced to choose > > > > between > > > > > >>> living with broken systems and stomaching the risk of upgrades > > > across > > > > > >>> minor/major version numbers. Looking back over the three > > > > aforementioned > > > > > >>> Hadoop versions, 2.6 hasn't had a patch release since 2.6.0 > came > > > out > > > > in > > > > > >> Nov > > > > > >>> 2014, when 2.5 had its last patch release as well. Hadoop 2.4 > > looks > > > > to > > > > > >> be a > > > > > >>> year without a release[5]. On our discussion of shipping Hadoop > > 2.6 > > > > > >>> binaries, one of your PMC members mentioned that with continued > > > work > > > > on > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>> 2.7 line y'all weren't planning any additional releases of the > > > > earlier > > > > > >>> minor versions[6]. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> The HBase community requests that Hadoop pick up making > > > bug-fix-only > > > > > >> patch > > > > > >>> releases again on a regular schedule[7]. Preferably on the 2.6 > > line > > > > and > > > > > >>> preferably monthly. We realize that given the time gap since > > 2.6.0 > > > it > > > > > >> will > > > > > >>> likely take a big to get 2.6.1 together, but after that it > should > > > > take > > > > > >> much > > > > > >>> less effort to continue. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> [1]: http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#hadoop > > > > > >>> [2]: http://s.apache.org/ReP > > > > > >>> [3]: HBASE-13339 > > > > > >>> [4]: HADOOP-11674 and HADOOP-11710 > > > > > >>> [5]: http://hadoop.apache.org/releases.html > > > > > >>> [6]: http://s.apache.org/MTY > > > > > >>> [7]: http://s.apache.org/ViP > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Sean > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Karthik Kambatla > > > > Software Engineer, Cloudera Inc. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > http://five.sentenc.es > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Karthik Kambatla > > Software Engineer, Cloudera Inc. > > -------------------------------------------- > > http://five.sentenc.es > > >
