Larry,

"As far as committers being in the business of cleaning up contributions, I
am mostly against this.
Contributors learn proper skills by getting things in - not be others doing
it for them.
It can be painful but such is growth."

Larry, it is not a skill to sit around and wait 4 days for a review.  This
is what happens to me quite often.

submitter: 5 line PR.
submitter: wait weeks for a review.
review: clean up a and b
submitter: drop everything in life to try to rebase 1 hour
reviewer: one day later ow hey one more comment on //59
Now its done again

Now its 7 hours later

Now the build is broken again
https://ci-hadoop.apache.org/job/hadoop-multibranch/job/PR-8177/7/artifact/out/patch-unit-hadoop-yarn-project_hadoop-yarn_hadoop-yarn-server_hadoop-yarn-server-nodemanager.txt

Now Its friday night
Now its gonna probably wait till monday or worse.

This isnt a "skill" its like an episode of the office.


On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 3:45 PM larry mccay <[email protected]> wrote:

> +1 on closing them.
> I would do it based on updated dates.
> If there is no movement in a given period then close it.
>
> As far as committers being in the business of cleaning up contributions, I
> am mostly against this.
> Contributors learn proper skills by getting things in - not be others doing
> it for them.
> It can be painful but such is growth.
>
> Projects can add linting to remove the burden of the frustration and the
> need to review nit-picky things which would go a long way.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 3:02 PM Aaron Fabbri <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2026 at 10:38 PM Ayush Saxena <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I’m not particularly in favor of this activity, but I won’t stand in
> > > the way if there is sufficient agreement to move forward with it.
> > >
> > >
> > Hi Ayush! Thanks for the input. Fair points.
> >
> > I'll note we do have a bot to resolve stale PRs. I've seen similar
> worflows
> > work well for issues, perhaps with a label/tag when we want to override
> > cleanup and keep an issue open.
> >
> >
> > > From my perspective, if something is identified as an issue, it should
> > > remain open until one of the following happens: it is resolved, it is
> > > determined not to be an issue, or we consciously decide to drop it due
> > > to technical limitations. Closing an issue simply because it hasn’t
> > > been addressed within a certain arbitrary timeframe doesn’t feel like
> > > the right approach.
> > >
> >
> > In an ideal world, I agree. I'm being pragmatic in realizing that nobody
> is
> > going to take the time to dig through the code and see if ancient issues
> > still apply. Some of these are just old, e.g a bug against 0.6.1,
> > HADOOP-743
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-743?filter=12354400>. If
> > this
> > project gets a sudden influx of new developers maybe we could tackle it,
> > but today we're struggling to keep up. Some of these are really
> > time-consuming to re-test and see if they still apply (at least for me,
> > without context on the entire codebase).
> > But you have a good point, say, for a critical bug. Another idea would be
> > to filter by severity.
> >
> > Open to your suggestions. This filter sorts by oldest Created: link
> > <
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?filter=12354400&jql=project%20%3D%20HADOOP%20AND%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC
> > >
> > How about if I ping the Jira asking if it is still valid, and if I get no
> > response, resolve it?
> >
> > So, instead of a bulk action, we just spend some time resolving these
> > oldest issues one-by-one? I'm happy as long as we can make some steady
> > progress.
> > For serious bugs, we could lean towards not resolving them. For random
> > "wishlist" items people have created over the years, IMO, we should
> resolve
> > them (e.g. HADOOP-1257
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-1257?filter=12354400> and
> > HADOOP-1307
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-1307?filter=12354400>)
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> > > -Ayush
> > >
> > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 10:49, Cheng Pan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Aaron,
> > > >
> > > > The condition `updated  < 120m` seems incorrect, I use your query it
> > > returns 2970 tickets, but if I replace it with `updated  <
> '2016-01-01'`,
> > > only 857 results.
> > > >
> > > > And I am neutral for bulk closing, since I see neither much benefit
> nor
> > > any harm.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Cheng Pan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 20, 2026, at 00:21, Aaron Fabbri <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going through our issue backlog and noticing we have a lot of
> old
> > > > > issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > E.g. This filter for issues not updated for 10 years
> > > > > <
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20HADOOP%20AND%20resolution%20%3D%20Unresolved%20AND%20updated%20%20%3C%20120m%20ORDER%20BY%20updated%20ASC
> > > >
> > > > > has
> > > > > almost 3000 results.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do people feel about me doing a bulk resolution with
> "Abandoned"?
> > > I'd
> > > > > add a note saying this issue hasn't been updated for 10 years,
> reopen
> > > and
> > > > > update if needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2026 at 9:18 AM Aaron Fabbri <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Wei-Chiu,
> > > > >> Thanks for the feedback. I will resend on common-dev list.
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> Aaron
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2026 at 9:35 PM Wei-Chiu Chuang <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> +1
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> And I mean, this matter is better discussed in dev mailing lists.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2026 at 5:33 PM Aaron Fabbri <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> <snip> pasted above </snip>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
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