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Steve Loughran commented on HADOOP-15999:
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-1
 from {{mvn verify -Dtest=moo -Ds3guard -Ddynamodb -Dscale 
-Dit.test=ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations  }}
{code}
[INFO] -------------------------------------------------------
[INFO]  T E S T S
[INFO] -------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Running org.apache.hadoop.fs.s3a.ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations
[ERROR] Tests run: 12, Failures: 1, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 29.064 
s <<< FAILURE! - in org.apache.hadoop.fs.s3a.ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations
[ERROR] 
testListingLongerLengthOverwriteAuthoritative(org.apache.hadoop.fs.s3a.ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations)
  Time elapsed: 1.562 s  <<< FAILURE!
java.lang.AssertionError: Values should be different. Actual: 1550689095000
        at 
org.apache.hadoop.fs.s3a.ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations.overwriteFileInListing(ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations.java:310)
        at 
org.apache.hadoop.fs.s3a.ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations.testListingLongerLengthOverwriteAuthoritative(ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations.java:183)

[INFO] 
[INFO] Results:
[INFO] 
[ERROR] Failures: 
[ERROR]   
ITestS3GuardOutOfBandOperations.testListingLongerLengthOverwriteAuthoritative:183->overwriteFileInListing:310->Assert.assertNotEquals:211->Assert.assertNotEquals:199->Assert.failEquals:185->Assert.fail:88
 Values should be different. Actual: 1550689095000
[INFO] 

{code}

> [s3a] Better support for out-of-band operations
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HADOOP-15999
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-15999
>             Project: Hadoop Common
>          Issue Type: Sub-task
>          Components: fs/s3
>    Affects Versions: 3.1.0
>            Reporter: Sean Mackrory
>            Assignee: Gabor Bota
>            Priority: Major
>         Attachments: HADOOP-15999.001.patch, HADOOP-15999.002.patch, 
> HADOOP-15999.003.patch, HADOOP-15999.004.patch, out-of-band-operations.patch
>
>
> S3Guard was initially done on the premise that a new MetadataStore would be 
> the source of truth, and that it wouldn't provide guarantees if updates were 
> done without using S3Guard.
> I've been seeing increased demand for better support for scenarios where 
> operations are done on the data that can't reasonably be done with S3Guard 
> involved. For example:
> * A file is deleted using S3Guard, and replaced by some other tool. S3Guard 
> can't tell the difference between the new file and delete / list 
> inconsistency and continues to treat the file as deleted.
> * An S3Guard-ed file is overwritten by a longer file by some other tool. When 
> reading the file, only the length of the original file is read.
> We could possibly have smarter behavior here by querying both S3 and the 
> MetadataStore (even in cases where we may currently only query the 
> MetadataStore in getFileStatus) and use whichever one has the higher modified 
> time.
> This kills the performance boost we currently get in some workloads with the 
> short-circuited getFileStatus, but we could keep it with authoritative mode 
> which should give a larger performance boost. At least we'd get more 
> correctness without authoritative mode and a clear declaration of when we can 
> make the assumptions required to short-circuit the process. If we can't 
> consider S3Guard the source of truth, we need to defer to S3 more.
> We'd need to be extra sure of any locality / time zone issues if we start 
> relying on mod_time more directly, but currently we're tracking the 
> modification time as returned by S3 anyway.



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