At 11:56 PM 12/21/2004, robert burrell donkin wrote:
FWIW AFAIK the committers who feel victimized are outside jakarta. IMHO committers who are vocally critical of the ASF (as an organization) are something about which the membership should be concerned. some of them simply have an obvious axe to grind but for others, a few humble and kind words were all would have been required. certainly, threats by members to communities (especially without adequate ASF representation) at a time such as this seems to play a little too much into their hands. i hope and trust that this wasn't the intent of your previous post.
JCL shows indications of mission creep. I believe this to be a factual observation independent of ASF representation.
(conversely, if you do think that JCL is out of scope for the commons or is at danger of becoming so - and that it's a big enough issue to consider things such as appealing to the members, then please tell me and i'd be glad to nominate you - and any other logging services pmc members who are interested - as committers for the commons and give you a free hand to sort out the problem as you best see fit. at least that way, myself and the rest of the JCL community will have a voice and some sort of vote. that would seem to me to be much more in the old apache spirit, at least as far as i can remember it...)
Thank you for this offer. We need to consider it carefully and check whether we can participate in a meaningful manner. I am forwarding it to the LS PMC.
- robert
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