I agree with all that Berin says. He also mentioned what I think is the critical factor for Avalon coherence: a more homogeneous "culture" even across their audience/users.
Have fun, Paulo Gaspar > -----Original Message----- > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:09 AM > > Paulo Gaspar wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:21 PM > >> > >>... > >> > >>Avalon is no more or less coherent than Commons. > >> > >>... > >> > > > > Even if you say so, I keep thinking that Avalon is more > > coherent than the commons in many respects. > > > > And I also think this is one of the reasons that makes it > > interesting to have both around. > > > I guess the coherency perceived is that all the components > in Avalon's Excalibur (since this is closest to Commons) all > have a purpose towards some level of server programming. Some > were born from Matt Welsh's SEDA concepts (those are relatively > new), some were born from Cocoon, and yet others were born from > Phoenix and JAMES. We borrow from our users, and our users > donate to us. It's a good synergy. That is where our coherency > lies. > > I think Commons has a more diverse audience, and a different > perspective on things. > > For instance, the Avalon community is sold on IOC and SOC (Inversion > of Control and Separation of Concerns). Many commons committers have > their reservations about those patterns. Those patterns do influence > all of our code. Even the stuff that can be ripped out of Excalibur > and used completely apart from Avalon has those patterns in mind > when they were designed. That is why you will rarely see static > factories for a piece in the system--everything is designed to be > externally managed. > > I suppose there is another point of coherency. But I'm just talking > now, so I'll shut up. > > > > > > -- > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > - Benjamin Franklin > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
