This makes sense. IMO there should be a mandatory parameter asking what policy should be followed - the programmer using the API MUST decide.
Have fun, Paulo Gaspar http://www.krankikom.de http://www.ruhronline.de > -----Original Message----- > From: James Strachan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:05 AM > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: Problems with commons-logging > > > From: "Steve Downey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The configuration should be done with the logging package API. > A component > > is not going to do configuration, the application, or the administrator, > is > > going to. The components need a uniform way of accessing the logging > system > > that the application is using. > > Agreed. > > > Incidentally, this implies to me that if no logging system is > configured, > > then components should not log. It should be a no-op. Not even print to > > stderr. [god forbid stdout] > > This I'm not sure of. > > Imagine the use case of end user trying to run some application with a > component using commons-logging - but their classpath doesn't > have a logging > package on it by accident (its *very* common to mess up classpaths or miss > dependencies, JJAR where are you ;-). Lo and behold the application runs, > terminates due to some failure of some kind but the user can't > see what the > issue is. No output is produced whatsoever. Or maybe worse, all > the commons > components errors are hidden but application developers errors come out > sending them on a wild goose chase. They have to guess that the issue is > that a logging package is required before they see the real reason for the > application terminating. > > Just to fix this common case I'd prefer the default to be SimpleLog with > ERROR level logging to System.err. (Maybe with a small warning on > the first > line that no logging package is configured). > > If a user really wants to disable all logging (which is quite > rare IMHO - if > something goes wrong we usually wanna see it somewhere) they can with the > system properties in SimpleLog. > > James > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
