Amazing work on HYPOTHETICAL situations. To simplify again, I do not agree with the negation of that statement either. Maybe the most balanced situation is the one we already have ...until it is proved to be bad.
Still learning here. I am only sure that I am not so sure that the rules of the game should change. =;o) Have fun, Paulo > -----Original Message----- > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:18 PM > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > On 2/3/02 2:20 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My understanding is that you defend what I was defending before > > "being converted" by Costin: > > - That voting rights for packages NOT in the Sandbox should be > > reserved to its contributors. > > To be frank, if a group of people put something together in the sandbox, I > think it's their right to decide what to do with it within the constraints > of the licensing :) > > > > > Did I got it wrong? > > > > No. That's a simplification, but it's right. > > I assume that you no longer agree with that statement? > > If so, do you agree with the negation of it? > > (dropping the sandbox clause for clarity - assume its there if > you want - it > really makes no fundamental difference) > > 1) Voting rights for packages should not be reserved for its contributors. > > 2) No voting rights for packages should be reserved for its contributors. > > Making bigger changes : > > 3) Voting rights for packages should be reserved for everyone but it's > contributors. > > 4) Voting rights for packages should be reserved for everyone. > > Maybe #1 and #4 mean the same thing. > > #2 and #3 are clearly silly but #2 is a negation of what you used > to believe > :) > > If #4, how do you define everyone? If the conventional meaning, > how do you > manage such a thing so that the people with the vision and hard > work get to > have a say in their work product w/o having to be ready for large > marketing > campaigns? > > Or another way : should the people who do the work have control? > > Should they have control from hostile political forces? > > TOTALLY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION : Suppose there were more log4j people in > 'everyone' than logkit people. Are you suggesting that the log4j people > should be able to ensure that logkit never does another release? > > > geir > > > > > Have fun, > > Paulo > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:54 PM > >> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > >> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > >> > >> > >> On 2/3/02 1:39 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> It is not for you to be sorry. I am a happy convert. > >>> > >>> Keep going. Myabe you manage to do the same for Geir and Peter. > >>> =:oD > >> > >> Interesting comment. > >> > >> Could you try and summarize what you think I am saying? > >> > >> I am interested to know what you think I am driving towards, > and to make > >> sure that my message is getting across... > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> geir > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Have fun, > >>> Paulo > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:08 AM > >>>> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> Subject: RE: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Paulo Gaspar wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I am already a convert. If you keep writing this kind of > stuff I will > >>>>> soon become an enthusiast of this line of reasoning and start > >> preaching > >>>>> to the masses too. > >>>>> =;o) > >>>> > >>>> Well, I'm already sorry about that... I have a lot of other things to > >>>> do, but Peter has a way to get me 'involved' in this kind of > >> discussions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Costin > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > > -- > > Geir Magnusson Jr. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > System and Software Consulting > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting "We will be judged not by the monuments we build, but by the monuments we destroy" - Ada Louise Huxtable -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
