On 11 Nov 2003, at 12:47, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 05:41 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
a move to apache commons would allow this progression to happen much more easily.
Why?
the rules which apply here in the jakarta-commons about components and distributions would make things difficult. within a math group in the apache commons, different products could be developed by the same group of contributors with greater freedom. it would also allow gui visualization components to be developed (which we cannot allow here at jakarta).
I just can't understand what you mean. To be clear :
0) What rules make things difficult?
the jakarta project has a given scope granted by the board. until recently i though that i could give a rational justification that the projects we have here are at jakarta in scope (given a wide enough interpretation). IMHO we're now starting to forget the original charter.
1) In Jakarta-Commons, the developers have the freedom to develop what they want, when they want to in their projects. Additionally, developers can go off to the sandbox and do whatever they want, and when they feel that they have something solid, as to bring it to the commons community. Did math have any trouble starting, defining their project, or implementing things they way they wanted?
there were some troubles but the limited current scope of math is fine. there are developments which are IMO definitely out of jakarta scope. there are also a number of jakarta-commons specific rules that would need to be bent to allow commons-maths to move in some directions that the community might want to take it.
2) I have a feeling that no one would utter a peep if someone did some GUI extensions to a project here at Jakarta. We've always been willing to stretch the meaning of our charter (hence POI), and if it really came to be a problem, I think we would try to work it out.
there seem to be a lot of senior apache members who don't agree with that. i'd rather act to try to start sorting things out before whilst the jakarta community still has a say.
- robert
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