-1 on moving to JIRA.  Martin Cooper has indicated there are people in
infrastructure are willing to do a bugzilla upgrade.  Just because
bugzilla's UI is ugly and JIRA's is pretty is not a valid reason to switch
to proprietary software in an OSS community.  Regardless, many other
bugzilla installations including Red Hat's demonstrate bugzilla is
skinnable.

I can read the Slashdot headlines now: "Apache abandons Bugzilla in favor
of proprietary software".  IMO, this switch is bad for our community.

David

--- Paul Libbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd also be +1 but I am a bit bothered by the political impact of 
> depending on a commercial product as strong open-source veteran.
> Currently +0.
> 
> If Bugzilla skins would exist (they are possible) and be used and 
> usable, I think such discussion would be way more futile.
> Unfortunately, I haven't seen any.
> 
> As of Scarab, I still haven't managed to get a demo-account to be 
> opened for me on any demo-server... which is not a really good sign, I 
> feel.
> 
> paul
> 
> PS: the bugzilla/jira opposition is a real feel for "open-source can't 
> do GUIs" wich is really something a bit too widespread.
> PPS: I haven't done it but you can export all Bugzilla bugs of one 
> product and only keep the ones for a given component, leaving quiet the 
> bugzilla ones... so the need for a complete migration isn't really 
> there except it takes more time to migrate a single component.
> 
> 
> Le 3 sept. 04, � 14:24, Henri Yandell a �crit :
> 
> >
> > I'd like to be using JIRA rather than Bugzilla. Release planning feels
> > possible in JIRA, whereas in Bugzilla it always feels like something
> so
> > painful it is not worth the effort you'd have to put in.
> >
> > In fact, I'm currently using the Wiki to try to simulate the release
> > process in JIRA :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Hen
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, [iso-8859-1] Eduardo Sebasti�n Marco wrote:
> >
> >> I think it should be necessary to have a vote, but I don't think like
> >> Gary does. I think the matter here is not whether we support 
> >> opensource
> >> or not... Of course we do! I think the matter here is excelence. And 
> >> in
> >> my opinion, if there's something actually better and it's avalaible, 
> >> why
> >> not? Is that or getting involved on the lesser tool to make it
> better.
> >>
> >>
> >> Eduardo.
> >>
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> De: Gary Gregory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Enviado el: viernes, 03 de septiembre de 2004 1:59
> >> Para: Jakarta Commons Developers List; Dion Gillard
> >> Asunto: RE: Moving from Bugzilla to JIRA
> >>
> >> On principle, I am not in favor of moving /away/ from Bugzilla, an 
> >> open-source project, to Jira, a non-open-source project. It feels to 
> >> me that this would send a negative message, as in: we are not 
> >> supporting the open-source community.
> >>
> >> OTOH, this is software evolution at work.
> >>
> >> I have heard good things about JIRA, but not used it much beyond 
> >> filing a couple of tickets vs. Maven.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Dion Gillard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 15:40
> >>> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> >>> Subject: Moving from Bugzilla to JIRA
> >>>
> >>> I've found out that the JIRA import process from Bugzilla can only
> >>> import a whole project, and not components, and hence all of
> >>> jakarta-commons has to go together.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone still want to stay on Bugzilla?
> >>>
> >>> Do we need a vote for this?
> >>> --
> >>> http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/
> >>>
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